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Posted by BigMac on 09 February 2014 - 05:13 PM
Posted by Claxon on 06 May 2013 - 07:25 PM
Damn Scab, you're in for one hell of a hard fall. I'll be LMAO pissing on the smoldering ashes of your scab unions grave. It's dead any way you slice it.
Damn poly, you sure have mastered the art of pi$$ing. Problem is, you are always pi$$ing up ropes. Leonidas is going down again.
Posted by 767jetz on 06 August 2012 - 12:53 PM
USAPA would prefer to trade pay improvements for vindictiveness against their fellow union members. "It's the cost of getting even and showing them who's boss". When asked to cite examples where this "salt the earth" strategy has paid off, Usapa simply yelled, "what, are you a westy?"
It will be interesting when details come out about our AIP. Pay rates should be slightly north of Delta's, meaning more legacy airline f/o's earning more than east captains. Sure is a nutty group the westies got hitched to.
What's even funnier is they way luvthe9 has been trying in vein to take pot shots at me and his nemisis, big bad United airlines, constantly posting out of date snippets from communications long since past. Yet when something newsworthy, current, and specifically relevant to USAirways current situation (merger, seniority, JCBA, etc.) comes around, he is peculiarly silent. Maybe he's hoping no one will notice, or simply forget how wrong he always is.
Like I said, sure is a nutty group on this forum. I hope they are not representative of the mainstream.
Posted by 767jetz on 07 November 2011 - 10:20 PM
SWAPA Executive Blog: November 7, 2011
From your SWAPA President, Steve Chase
Fellow SWAPA Pilots,
Today the members of SWAPA and our counterparts at AirTran-ALPA voted in favor of accepting the seniority list integration provided for in Side Letter 10, paving the way for a full integration of flight operations.
AirTran MEC Chairman Special Message: November 7, 2011
November 7, 2011
It is decided. The Seniority Integration Agreement has been approved. With an 83.58 percent vote of the ATN pilots and an 83.56 percent vote of the SWAPA pilots – both in favor of ratification – our collective hands have extended and accepted Southwest’s offer as to how the pilot groups will be merged.
Looks like yet another integration that doesn't use the "gold standard" of DOH. Another slotting using things like pay, career expectations, and the particular facts of their merger. Go figure!
Once again, each integration turns on its own facts as there is no one-size-fits-all approach to seniority integrations.
I guess the Airtran guys saw the writing on the wall and realized the benefit to them in pay and working conditions. Imagine that.
Posted by HPearlyretiree on 01 November 2011 - 12:01 AM
I have never posted on this forum but registered specifically to respond to this thread. As a disclaimer, I am not an airline employee but my wife has worked as an FA for another airline for 26 years. Some of the things I am reading here, specifically from "iclubbabyseals", are repulsive. Turning this sad and tragic event into a rant against management, before all facts have come to light, smacks of having an alternative agenda and a major ax to grind. At face value it appears as if Mr. Aaronson tragically fell into the wrong company (his hotel door wasn't kicked in while he was sleeping...) This could have happened in JFK, MIA, LAX - you choose the city, you choose the hotel, it could have happened anywhere. It does not change the fact that this young man lost his life. Perhaps others could add more remembrances, while another thread could be started regarding the culpability of management. It is not a good mixture of the two.
Iclubabyseals is a pric*, a self loathing loser, a man who just has so much hate that he has to spew every night.
Not the management's fault, not the union's fault. Nick either made a bad decision, or he was the victim of fate.
Take all the hatred for the company talk of this thread, and grow the hell up everyone.
Posted by exB717Flyer on 15 January 2011 - 11:44 PM
Posted by Bob Owens on 08 December 2013 - 11:25 AM
Go ahead and boycott. Leaves more munchies for everyone else.
Maybe you will choke on it.
Posted by ChockJockey on 11 March 2013 - 02:33 AM
I cannot organize my thoughts.
They dribble from brain as I desperately try to sort them by tapping ENTER twice.
I write my posts like poetry.
Except poetry doesn't suck.
I talk in cryptic acronyms.
My padded cell has wifi.
No one understands me.
I am obsessed with CC.
CC let me smell your hair.
CC SU AFA TA CC SU APFA CLT....
Posted by traderjake on 14 February 2013 - 10:42 AM
Posted by TWU informer on 09 November 2012 - 06:23 PM
Dave do you know what's in the TA? The "Me-Too" has already worked once and will work again I am sure.
I will hold you to that.
I predict that the TWU me-too language proves worthless in this situation.
Posted by dca319 on 25 April 2012 - 11:07 AM
The advantages of accepting the Niclau, in my opinion, are plentiful. One, we can end this perpetual litigation and redirect our money and other resources toward this merger. We can also recruit the more talented west pilots who can offer their assistance to the merger committee and NAC. I understand that they have a highly knowledgable PBS team that could guide both sides. By accepting the Niclau, that wall we have now would go down and our union could function not only between east and west but also between east and east. That distraction would be gone!
OK. Please sum up, if you will, ANY perceived, REAL tactical or strategic gain to be had from joyously embracing the nic at this point in time? Seriously; what are the benefits, in REAL terms, for doing so? If there's some presumed, true leverage to be gained with doing so now...well...specifically; what would that be?
PS: "It is this arrogance pointed at management..." With this management?...Be serious. How much kowtowing and knee pad wearing would you suggest? What would be gained from such behavior?
And as for your knee pads, i didn't mean to imply that we roll over and show our belly. We came in to this merger thinking we'd roll over Parker which didn't happen. I'd think a working relationship would have been more productive. Do you think have an injunction slapped on us or having negotiations stopped has been the way to have approached Parker? More would have been gained than what we have now. Right now we have gained irrelevance. Parker knows all he needs is their blessing. He can take or leave ours.
East, Cleary's way failed and that's obvious. Don't you think it's time for a different approach?
Posted by Ames on 16 April 2012 - 11:15 AM
It's real hard JUNEBUG, you guys just make me laugh too much, just looking back over the last several weeks you can see the increase in desperation from you kids.
You can't be serious. You guys lose the RICO, snapback, MDA - still have the ripeness issue of the Addington DFR hanging over your heads. DJ ruling most likely not going your way very soon, this new fiasco on the appeals board election about to bite you in the ass.... yet you think the west is desperate. You're a hoot!
Posted by fodase on 17 March 2012 - 01:17 PM
Posted by eastcoast on 16 November 2011 - 11:25 PM
When this first came out and I saw the charts that showed my progression I came to the conclusion that I would be better off accepting the Nic and getting a contract instead of fighting this out for years. I also realized that was not the case for some of those that were junior to me, and I understood their frustration and that coupled with viewing the Kirby proposal, there wasn't going to be much to offset that hit. They decided it was better to fight it, so here we are.
So you made the analysis at the time. The thing is, no one expected this to drag out so long. We all thought we'd be off LOA93 by now. So every day that goes by on this bankruptcy contract, the results of that equation changes and more and more pilots reach the tipping point where a decent contract with Nic and the 2/3 attrition would have been better than holding out for DOH and waiting for a trickle of upgrades as attrition kicks back in.
Posted by ebwgs on 30 October 2011 - 09:10 PM
A picture is released with the dude's mouth covered with what appears to be duct tape. What, exactly, is the significance of that? Kinky sex?
Was he in the military and was protesting DADT? Help me out here.
From the sound of your ignorance and vitriol the kind of help you need will not be found in an explanation of the NOH8 message he was communicating. Show some respect.
Posted by cleardirect on 08 October 2011 - 10:03 AM
You guys have never smiled. You east guys are the most miserable people I have ever had to associate with. Even if you win you will still be bitching and frowning through the concourse. You will just find something else to cry about and blame someone for.
The company operates perfectly fine present day. USAirways group operates a bunch of wholly owned airlines and will continue to do so. LOA93 will be fine for the east. We have operated on it for years. The pay will be the game changer. Everyone on the east will just smile going through the concourse.
What if you win and Parker just says no like you east pilots did? He could call Kasher a crazy old man and say it is not fair. How long for that court case to run? Does usapa have enough money for another trial? Do the math. For less than a million a year Parker could delay a trial for several years, push any raises down the road. Save himself many millions a year. Maybe he could hire Seham he seems to know how to delay and waste the other sides money. I hear Seham is available and looking for work.
Posted by cleardirect on 10 April 2011 - 10:13 PM
So you say the west has no value to any future investor.
The answer is, the west has no value to the airline and any future investor.
Please offer to us, what is the value of the west operation?
I suggest you go back to the shed for someone to answer.
Then how is Parker going to split off the west? Who would buy something with no value??????
Try thinking these theories through before throwing out BS. It just make you look more foolish than normal.
Keep hoping for that un-merger. But start planning on using the Nicolau.
Remember majority rules.
Posted by AANOTOK on 03 January 2014 - 12:29 PM
Josh and 700,
You two guys contaminate every single topic that gets posted. Can you PLEASE take your damn cat fights
elsewhere. This truly is becoming unbelievable!!
Posted by Chuck Schalk on 11 July 2013 - 06:17 PM
Posted by Thomas Paine on 24 November 2013 - 07:02 PM
I will be voting against having my class and craft being split between two unions, no matter what they threaten us with. If they say "either accept the alliance or no Union", well, then there is always AMFA or the IBT. I'm sure we wont have any problems finding someone who will be willing to take our dues and neither the TWU or IAM have done much for either of us other than land both of us the bottom of the industry.