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#1061756 How to handle the forum post-merger

Posted by BigMac on 09 February 2014 - 05:13 PM

I request we keep the Delta discussions in the Delta forums also. XD
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#997844 April/May 2013 Pilot Discussion

Posted by Claxon on 06 May 2013 - 07:25 PM

Damn Scab, you're in for one hell of a hard fall. I'll be LMAO pissing on the smoldering ashes of your scab unions grave. It's dead any way you slice it.

Damn poly, you sure have mastered the art of pi$$ing. Problem is, you are always pi$$ing up ropes. Leonidas is going down again.
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#1070235 USair denies AA pilots jumpseat...

Posted by AdAstraPerAspera on 08 March 2014 - 06:53 AM

I will say this though.  I congratulate the US pilot for refusing the AA pilot the seat.  After all the US pilots have gone thru tremendous heartbreaks over that past mergers, while the AA pilots have tried to stick it to the man, over and over again, from their past mergers.  This very well could be a very good tool to use to get both sides closer together and come to a final contract...


That's a pretty vindictive, short sided, and unprofessional perspective.


Politics and personal opinions should never interfere with a jumpseat. This is how we get home to see our families-- not a means to an end. That's a very selfish and self-serving attitude.

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#924109 July - US Pilots Labor Discussion

Posted by 767jetz on 06 August 2012 - 12:53 PM

USAPA would prefer to trade pay improvements for vindictiveness against their fellow union members. "It's the cost of getting even and showing them who's boss". When asked to cite examples where this "salt the earth" strategy has paid off, Usapa simply yelled, "what, are you a westy?"

It will be interesting when details come out about our AIP. Pay rates should be slightly north of Delta's, meaning more legacy airline f/o's earning more than east captains. Sure is a nutty group the westies got hitched to.

What's even funnier is they way luvthe9 has been trying in vein to take pot shots at me and his nemisis, big bad United airlines, constantly posting out of date snippets from communications long since past. Yet when something newsworthy, current, and specifically relevant to USAirways current situation (merger, seniority, JCBA, etc.) comes around, he is peculiarly silent. Maybe he's hoping no one will notice, or simply forget how wrong he always is.

Like I said, sure is a nutty group on this forum. I hope they are not representative of the mainstream.
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#842968 US Pilots Labor Discussion

Posted by 767jetz on 07 November 2011 - 10:20 PM

SWAPA Executive Blog: November 7, 2011

From your SWAPA President, Steve Chase

Fellow SWAPA Pilots,

Today the members of SWAPA and our counterparts at AirTran-ALPA voted in favor of accepting the seniority list integration provided for in Side Letter 10, paving the way for a full integration of flight operations.

AirTran MEC Chairman Special Message: November 7, 2011

November 7, 2011

Fellow Pilots,

It is decided. The Seniority Integration Agreement has been approved. With an 83.58 percent vote of the ATN pilots and an 83.56 percent vote of the SWAPA pilots – both in favor of ratification – our collective hands have extended and accepted Southwest’s offer as to how the pilot groups will be merged.

Looks like yet another integration that doesn't use the "gold standard" of DOH. Another slotting using things like pay, career expectations, and the particular facts of their merger. Go figure! ;)

Once again, each integration turns on its own facts as there is no one-size-fits-all approach to seniority integrations.

I guess the Airtran guys saw the writing on the wall and realized the benefit to them in pay and working conditions. Imagine that.
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#841391 Nick Aaronson

Posted by HPearlyretiree on 01 November 2011 - 12:01 AM

I have never posted on this forum but registered specifically to respond to this thread. As a disclaimer, I am not an airline employee but my wife has worked as an FA for another airline for 26 years. Some of the things I am reading here, specifically from "iclubbabyseals", are repulsive. Turning this sad and tragic event into a rant against management, before all facts have come to light, smacks of having an alternative agenda and a major ax to grind. At face value it appears as if Mr. Aaronson tragically fell into the wrong company (his hotel door wasn't kicked in while he was sleeping...) This could have happened in JFK, MIA, LAX - you choose the city, you choose the hotel, it could have happened anywhere. It does not change the fact that this young man lost his life. Perhaps others could add more remembrances, while another thread could be started regarding the culpability of management. It is not a good mixture of the two.

Iclubabyseals is a pric*, a self loathing loser, a man who just has so much hate that he has to spew every night.

Not the management's fault, not the union's fault. Nick either made a bad decision, or he was the victim of fate.

Take all the hatred for the company talk of this thread, and grow the hell up everyone.
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#779367 US Pilots Labor Discussion

Posted by exB717Flyer on 15 January 2011 - 11:44 PM

When an Eastie has the temerity to accuse the West of trying to steal anything you know it's nothing more than flame-baiting. Don't give him the satisfaction of getting riled up. Until the courts give us justice we just have to be patient. Who knows, maybe karma will catch up with him in the meantime.
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#1050612 Combined Travel Rules

Posted by AANOTOK on 03 January 2014 - 12:29 PM

Josh and 700,


You two guys contaminate every single topic that gets posted. Can you PLEASE take your damn cat fights

elsewhere. This truly is becoming unbelievable!!

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#1044557 Boycott Opening Day Celebrations

Posted by Bob Owens on 08 December 2013 - 11:25 AM

Go ahead and boycott. Leaves more munchies for everyone else.

Maybe you will choke on it.

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#985384 US AIRWAYS FA's approve CONTRACT

Posted by ChockJockey on 11 March 2013 - 02:33 AM

I post to myself on an internet forum but it's other people that are nutjobs.

I cannot organize my thoughts.

They dribble from brain as I desperately try to sort them by tapping ENTER twice.

I write my posts like poetry.

Except poetry doesn't suck.

I talk in cryptic acronyms.

My padded cell has wifi.

No one understands me.

I am obsessed with CC.

CC let me smell your hair.




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#977027 The End Of US Airways

Posted by traderjake on 14 February 2013 - 10:42 AM

More exciting is that USAPA is soon gone forever.
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#951549 AA and pilots reach agreement in principle

Posted by TWU informer on 09 November 2012 - 06:23 PM

Dave do you know what's in the TA? The "Me-Too" has already worked once and will work again I am sure.


I will hold you to that.

I predict that the TWU me-too language proves worthless in this situation.
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#894435 US Pilots Labor Discussion

Posted by dca319 on 25 April 2012 - 11:07 AM

OK. Please sum up, if you will, ANY perceived, REAL tactical or strategic gain to be had from joyously embracing the nic at this point in time? Seriously; what are the benefits, in REAL terms, for doing so? If there's some presumed, true leverage to be gained with doing so now...well...specifically; what would that be?

PS: "It is this arrogance pointed at management..." With this management?...Be serious. How much kowtowing and knee pad wearing would you suggest? What would be gained from such behavior?

The advantages of accepting the Niclau, in my opinion, are plentiful. One, we can end this perpetual litigation and redirect our money and other resources toward this merger. We can also recruit the more talented west pilots who can offer their assistance to the merger committee and NAC. I understand that they have a highly knowledgable PBS team that could guide both sides. By accepting the Niclau, that wall we have now would go down and our union could function not only between east and west but also between east and east. That distraction would be gone!
And as for your knee pads, i didn't mean to imply that we roll over and show our belly. We came in to this merger thinking we'd roll over Parker which didn't happen. I'd think a working relationship would have been more productive. Do you think have an injunction slapped on us or having negotiations stopped has been the way to have approached Parker? More would have been gained than what we have now. Right now we have gained irrelevance. Parker knows all he needs is their blessing. He can take or leave ours.
East, Cleary's way failed and that's obvious. Don't you think it's time for a different approach?
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#1101611 AA forecasts $800 Million revenue from cargo in 2014

Posted by FrugalFlyerv2.0 on 08 July 2014 - 07:56 PM

I'm trying to understand how this bubble bursting and these very bad things on the horizon you speak of for AA, are just for AA to hurdle and no other airline, especially DL?


Let's see if I can summarize the world according to DL:


1)  AA @ MIA is in trouble because LCCs will grow from south FL to latim america and when, not if but when DL sets up MIA-LatinAmerica operations AA might as well shut the lights off on North Terminal /  Concourse D.

2)  In DFW AA is in trouble because WN with 16,yes that's sixteen gates at Love Field along with VX's 2 gates and DL's upcoming flights to ATL will be the end for AAs top 20-25 markets in north TX.  I won't even mention that DL skyteam partern KE is killing AA on filghts to Asia from DFW

3)  Speaking of Asia, AA sucks across the Pacific.  It obviously can't compete with UAL out of ORD nevermind SFO, AA can't compete with other Asian carriers in LAX, and there is an airline that is going to absolutely crush everybody out of SEA flying to Asia.

4)  Speaking of LAX:  despite the fact that AA operates out of terminal 4, the AE remote terminal just picked up a couple gates in terminal 6 and will have gates in TBIT, there is an airline there that despite having less real estate showed the highest growth rate (in terms of adding seats) and more importantly, processess more passengers per minute via its gates than AA.  Again, AA is toast in LAX.

5)  I won't even mention NYC becasue AA died there the second DL decided to set up shop.

6)  CLT - too close to ATL, won't go there.

7)  PHL - maybe, but just by its presence up the road in NYC, it really doesn't matter what AA does there, it's irrelevant.

8)  DL has surrounded ORD with MSP and DTW, so anytime it wants it could kill not only AA but UA too.

9)  I won't talk about Europe, because as you know, there is an airline that flies the B767-400 to LHR - you know, the airplane that sold a whopping 38 airframes to primarily 2 airlines, only losers bought the overweight and oversized B777s.  Anyways, DL knows how to use the B767-400 properly and along with its slutty (Virgin) JV partner will put a serious hurt on AA/BA/1-world at LHR.

10)  That leaves only PHX as a possibility where AA could thrive, but only until DL decides it needs a southwestern hub.


Hope that clears it up for you.

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#1088813 2014 Pilot Discussion

Posted by dariencc on 23 May 2014 - 05:25 PM

Judicial Estoppel & a Pyrrich Victory are facts and not leading questions.


Estoppel and Pyrrich (sic) Victory are concepts, not facts.  You are dumber than a box of rocks (fact).

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#1087103 2014 Pilot Discussion

Posted by Pi brat on 17 May 2014 - 08:49 AM

Operational meltdown? Just a friendly reminder guys. USAPA is still under a federal injunction that prohibits any job action. You know, the one that some of you did everything possible to put in place, cheered when it came out, and protested against being lifted. Watch yourselves.

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#1078611 AA president Scott Kirby says the carrier seeks to make LAX its "primary...

Posted by eolesen on 09 April 2014 - 10:38 AM

Irony... in a post that isn't Delta, Delta, Delta:

32 mentions of DL
30 mentions of AA
21 mentions of UA

6,002 characters
22 paragraphs
Zero substance
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#1072203 2014 Pilot Discussion

Posted by algflyr on 16 March 2014 - 11:02 AM

I see you're online now.


If you'd like me to stop and just cede the point that this is the internet and you can say anything you want in the hopes someone believes it, then, I'll be glad to stop.


Or, you can provide the document.


I'm not exactly sure what you're asking. A transition agreement was created that produced a SLI under ALPA (the Nic) and it contained certain conditions that must have been met for the implementation of said seniority list. The conditions were never met. And now the document has been nullified, so those conditions can never be met. All we are left with are two separate pilot groups operating separately from each other on two different seniority lists.

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#1040779 TWU ATD post IAM Alliance

Posted by Thomas Paine on 24 November 2013 - 07:02 PM

I will be voting against having my class and craft being split between two unions, no matter what they threaten us with. If they say "either accept the alliance or no Union", well, then there is always AMFA or the IBT. I'm sure we wont have any problems finding someone who will be willing to take our dues and neither the TWU or IAM have done much for either of us other than land both of us the bottom of the industry.

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#1011392 TWU,Teamsters, AMFA

Posted by Chuck Schalk on 11 July 2013 - 06:17 PM

We as a group are a bunch of fools and it amazes me time and again. I was listening to a conversation of mechanics in the break room. They were stating that we need change and the teamsters are our only choice to get rid of the TWU. I asked them "what makes you want the teamsters" they responded to get rid of the TWU. so in a sense choose your poison right? Neither one is their preferred choice but they have to choose one. They also stated AMFA failed to file the cards and they are not in the game. I then asked them have they read the Teamsters constitution? The AMFA constitution or for that matters the TWU constitution? They all responded "NO" I then asked "how do you make an informed decision and based on what"? I watch people research to death about going on a vacation but no interest in researching who will represent us or read the contract to understand it. We can't blame it all on everyone else, we must take some of the blame ourselves. We listen to false promises, outright lies, false hope, and fall to manipulation and yet some still consider to keep the TWU and some consider switching to the Teamsters. If you read the AMFA constitution it provides everything you want in a democratic union but thats not good enough because no one read it. they would rather listen to people who have personal interest in representing you and others who are paid to get signatures at any cost even if it means forgery and false promises. Yes there are no greater fools than us.
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