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Looks like former West pilot "Sneaky Pete" Blandino will be the new management plant in the LA chief pilot office. CJ Small and Move2JFK Kothny will be elated. The NAAtives are worried. Pete earned his moniker and made his mgt bones when he non reved to Europe and took pictures of East pilots on their rest breaks. Seems some pilots liked to take their stripes off and loosen their ties. Pete took pictures and submitted them to management. Pete didn't have the stones to face the accused pilot at his disciplinary hearing.
Perhaps Ray Ray learned his photo ops techniques from Pete.
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The LAX pilots are getting a real piece of work with Sneaky Pete. He'll smile to their faces but underneath is the character of a sewer rat. The Sneakster will ingratiate himself with higher authority like a pro. It's what he does best.
Watch out, LAX. The Sneakster's gotta sneak.
Attention: AWAPPA SHOPPERS! (Part II)
A couple of U-Turns ago, we sent one out called “Don’t Worry, Be Happy!” We still believe it. And we still believe that as long as ALPA is off the property, they can’t pull a “fair and equitable” on us and force us to share UAL’s Downsizing pain. Yes, you ARE protected by the TA. And nothing AWAPPA says is going to change that.
But our former MEC leadership is still in total denial. They act like ALPA is still the CBA. Former LAS FO Rep Ray Burkett is living in a dream world. This is the “Ray Solution:”
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Scott Lillard" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>; "CJ Szmal" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: U-Turn: ATTN: AWAPPA Shoppers!
Well this was what I has hoping to avoid!! The key here people is to set
up with UAL and get a prenup. Parker and team are not about to let u sap
ass block their deal with UAL. We need to focus on reaching out to as many
people in the UAL MEC as we ALL CAN. FENCE the prick in the east for 30yrs
Ray Burkett
C82 First officer Rep
Vice Chairman
Earth to Ray! Set up a “prenup” with UAL? Ray, ALPA’s not our CBA any more. And YOU aren’t the C82 FO Rep anymore. C82 doesn’t exist anymore. In fact, the entire LAS base isn’t going to last through the fall!
Sorry, Ray, but the UAL MEC isn’t going to give you or AWAPPA the time of day. They are represented by ALPA and ALPA is hanging it out if they negotiate with any group that isn’t the CBA. If they do and get caught at it, they could end up with a DFR that will make their $50+ million Duke-Spellacy settlement in the 1990s look like a parking ticket fine. The UAL MEC Merger Attorney is AWAPPA’s Jeff Freund. Can you say conflict of interest? How can he represent us and the UAL pilots at the same time? How can he give us any legal advice on defending the NIC while he’s representing UAL’s MEC? If a merger announcement is made, who do you think he will represent?
Enough of Ray’s fantasy union. At the bottom of this U-Turn is a summary of the first round of planned reductions over at UAL. The source is their internal employee “newsline.” We believe that the information is authentic. Note that the “first set of changes… will enable us to remove 30 of our B737 aircraft, the least efficient of our fleet.” At 6.5 crews (13 pilots) per aircraft, that’s a hit of 390 pilots on the streets. Proportionally, that would mean a furlough of about 148 LCC pilots if we were “fairly and equitably” sharing the pain.
The UAL internal forecast is just a blip on the radar screen when compared to the “What if” comments by Chicago Tribune reporter Julie Johnsson, written yesterday. According to her article (paraphrased, because of copy write laws – the link is: <http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story), the New “U” could park the entire 737-300 fleet (111 aircraft) of both carriers, producing over a billion dollars synergies.
A couple of U-Turns ago, we sent one out called “Don’t Worry, Be Happy!” We still believe it. And we still believe that as long as ALPA is off the property, they can’t pull a “fair and equitable” on us and force us to share UAL’s Downsizing pain. Yes, you ARE protected by the TA. And nothing AWAPPA says is going to change that.
But our former MEC leadership is still in total denial. They act like ALPA is still the CBA. Former LAS FO Rep Ray Burkett is living in a dream world. This is the “Ray Solution:”
From: <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>; "Scott Lillard" <[email protected]>;
<[email protected]>; "CJ Szmal" <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>; <[email protected]>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: U-Turn: ATTN: AWAPPA Shoppers!
Well this was what I has hoping to avoid!! The key here people is to set
up with UAL and get a prenup. Parker and team are not about to let u sap
ass block their deal with UAL. We need to focus on reaching out to as many
people in the UAL MEC as we ALL CAN. FENCE the prick in the east for 30yrs
Ray Burkett
C82 First officer Rep
Vice Chairman
Earth to Ray! Set up a “prenup” with UAL? Ray, ALPA’s not our CBA any more. And YOU aren’t the C82 FO Rep anymore. C82 doesn’t exist anymore. In fact, the entire LAS base isn’t going to last through the fall!
Sorry, Ray, but the UAL MEC isn’t going to give you or AWAPPA the time of day. They are represented by ALPA and ALPA is hanging it out if they negotiate with any group that isn’t the CBA. If they do and get caught at it, they could end up with a DFR that will make their $50+ million Duke-Spellacy settlement in the 1990s look like a parking ticket fine. The UAL MEC Merger Attorney is AWAPPA’s Jeff Freund. Can you say conflict of interest? How can he represent us and the UAL pilots at the same time? How can he give us any legal advice on defending the NIC while he’s representing UAL’s MEC? If a merger announcement is made, who do you think he will represent?
Enough of Ray’s fantasy union. At the bottom of this U-Turn is a summary of the first round of planned reductions over at UAL. The source is their internal employee “newsline.” We believe that the information is authentic. Note that the “first set of changes… will enable us to remove 30 of our B737 aircraft, the least efficient of our fleet.” At 6.5 crews (13 pilots) per aircraft, that’s a hit of 390 pilots on the streets. Proportionally, that would mean a furlough of about 148 LCC pilots if we were “fairly and equitably” sharing the pain.
The UAL internal forecast is just a blip on the radar screen when compared to the “What if” comments by Chicago Tribune reporter Julie Johnsson, written yesterday. According to her article (paraphrased, because of copy write laws – the link is: <http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story), the New “U” could park the entire 737-300 fleet (111 aircraft) of both carriers, producing over a billion dollars synergies.
Ray continues to exist in a strange world on C&R.
The wacky westoffs exhort native AA pilots to flee to ALPA.
True " unionist" Ray Burkett and Wacky CJ Small and Johnny Toadstool McIlvenna flame the ALPA flames. Tell them all about those great AWA years Ray Ray.
The wacky westoffs exhort native AA pilots to flee to ALPA.
True " unionist" Ray Burkett and Wacky CJ Small and Johnny Toadstool McIlvenna flame the ALPA flames. Tell them all about those great AWA years Ray Ray.
dariencc
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Even Ray, CJ and the Toadstool have their standards. None walked the well-trod ALPA to company management path, offering their inside knowledge to the other team in exchange for some extra perks. These self-serving union to company turncoats have long plagued the LUS-E, LUS-W and original AA pilot groups.
Perhaps the slimiest example of this phenomenon is Sneaky Pete Blandino, who self-describes on Linkedin as "Airline Pilot/Bassoon Player."
Sneaky Pete will do anything, and I do mean anything, Robert Isom demands. The dim bulb is almost beside himself with glee at the thought of telling his neighbors that he is a certified Chief Pilot. They have no idea that the position, as it has come to be under the Parker/Isom regime, is akin to a young starlet bagging a bit part in a Harvey Weinstein production. It comes at a price, and an unsavory one at that.
LAX pilots who sit across the table from Sneaky Pete and see the dull, set too close together eyes and crooked-toothed half grin will soon know the truth. "Pilot advocate" and "servant leader" are overused absurdities at the new AA, best saved for inane threads on C&R where naive Munn wannabees drone on about "teamwork."
Perhaps the slimiest example of this phenomenon is Sneaky Pete Blandino, who self-describes on Linkedin as "Airline Pilot/Bassoon Player."
Sneaky Pete will do anything, and I do mean anything, Robert Isom demands. The dim bulb is almost beside himself with glee at the thought of telling his neighbors that he is a certified Chief Pilot. They have no idea that the position, as it has come to be under the Parker/Isom regime, is akin to a young starlet bagging a bit part in a Harvey Weinstein production. It comes at a price, and an unsavory one at that.
LAX pilots who sit across the table from Sneaky Pete and see the dull, set too close together eyes and crooked-toothed half grin will soon know the truth. "Pilot advocate" and "servant leader" are overused absurdities at the new AA, best saved for inane threads on C&R where naive Munn wannabees drone on about "teamwork."
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From another board:
This topic has come up before or rather the reform portion. I personally would rather have ALPA for a whole host of reasons, most of which have been discussed. The reform portion however has not. I contacted the NLRB and it would take a petition of 30% of our pilots to remove APA from this property. I think we have that many plus already. Now those on the fence or those worried about a time when we have no representation that time would be very short. ALPA is not a startup in house entity, they have the resources to be up and running within days. interim reps, mec chair and vice chair etc. That would be my personal choice. Now to reform APA in my opinion and I would like to hear others views too, would mean a clean sweep from top to bottom EVERYONE MUST GO with the exception of support staff and attorneys whom only do the work they are tasked with. President down to each and every member of the BOD would need to go. I DONT CARE TO HEAR FROM A SINGLE MEMBER OF THE BOD on this as your opinion is biased and most of you would sell your nuts to stay in office. Seen that mentality in the past and not at all interested.
Start talking AA pilots, this is ABOUT AND FOR US!!
R. (Ray Burkett)
First (1) The NLRB does not govern airline or railway employees. The Rail Way Labor Act of 1926,
The RLA, US Code title 45, 151 to 188, governs not the NLRB. The agency in charge is the NMB or National Mediation Board, not the National Labor Relations Board. The Rail Way Labor Act was a creation of congress in the Hoover administration and the NLRB was a Roosevelt, New Deal Creation several years later.
The threshold of determination of whether or not to call an election is a sufficient "showing of interest" by those in the designated category and class of employment. If the employee class is already represented then a "showing of interest", which generally takes the form of signed cards, needs to be 50% +1 not 30%. In the case of APA, because the pilot group is already represented, a majority showing of interest is required before the NMB will call an election.
The NMB, or National Mediation Board, created by the RLA, is the body that determines whether or not a sufficient showing of interest has been obtained. As one who has visited that office, presented the necessary "showing of interest" cards and been involved in a NMB election I can tell you that Ray Burkett is barking up the wrong tree.
This does not bode well for the reform of APA if there are those who want be a part of such reforms can't even make application to the correct government agency. ALPA is like McDonalds, the headquarters tells you what to do and you the store general manager do it. APA, for better or worse, has the ability to work in its own way and spend it's money as it sees fit. This gives the APA an unknown quality that makes APA unpredictable.
Please read the following report from the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics on the American Airlines Pilot sickout over the merger with Reno Air. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/profile-of-the-american-airlines-pilot-sickout.pdf
You will see an APA that was very unpredictable, and the leadership at the time under Captain Richard LaVoy went toe toe with AMR management, Don Carty, and a Federal judge. In the end the law prevailed BUT, I do not believe that APA ever paid the fine and they leveraged their "brass balls" move to gain improvements in the contract and merger protections. A legacy AA pilot will have to clarify this but the point is ALPA would never have risked all over the question.
I am not a legacy AA pilot so I don't know the details but as a former ALPA member I can tell you that ALPA would never have allowed that to happen. The first and foremost rule of ALPA is to protect the mother ship. Don't risk fines against Herdon, that would endanger the headquarters. Play it safe, talk out of both sides of you mouth and what ever you do don't rock the boat.
In 1963, the Legacy AA pilots rocked the boat and left ALPA, a landmark decision. In 2008, the legacy US Airways pilots rocked the boat and left ALPA. In the humble opinion of this writer, use that force to reform APA and create an organization that is not afraid to take risks see that the pilots get their due. IMHO, ALPA is not that organization and Doug Parker will be required to see a show of force similar to the one witnessed by Don Carty in the Reno Merger, to make him change his outlook. ALPA will err on the side of safety and protect it's interests and very existence rather than risk loss.
This topic has come up before or rather the reform portion. I personally would rather have ALPA for a whole host of reasons, most of which have been discussed. The reform portion however has not. I contacted the NLRB and it would take a petition of 30% of our pilots to remove APA from this property. I think we have that many plus already. Now those on the fence or those worried about a time when we have no representation that time would be very short. ALPA is not a startup in house entity, they have the resources to be up and running within days. interim reps, mec chair and vice chair etc. That would be my personal choice. Now to reform APA in my opinion and I would like to hear others views too, would mean a clean sweep from top to bottom EVERYONE MUST GO with the exception of support staff and attorneys whom only do the work they are tasked with. President down to each and every member of the BOD would need to go. I DONT CARE TO HEAR FROM A SINGLE MEMBER OF THE BOD on this as your opinion is biased and most of you would sell your nuts to stay in office. Seen that mentality in the past and not at all interested.
Start talking AA pilots, this is ABOUT AND FOR US!!
R. (Ray Burkett)
First (1) The NLRB does not govern airline or railway employees. The Rail Way Labor Act of 1926,
The RLA, US Code title 45, 151 to 188, governs not the NLRB. The agency in charge is the NMB or National Mediation Board, not the National Labor Relations Board. The Rail Way Labor Act was a creation of congress in the Hoover administration and the NLRB was a Roosevelt, New Deal Creation several years later.
The threshold of determination of whether or not to call an election is a sufficient "showing of interest" by those in the designated category and class of employment. If the employee class is already represented then a "showing of interest", which generally takes the form of signed cards, needs to be 50% +1 not 30%. In the case of APA, because the pilot group is already represented, a majority showing of interest is required before the NMB will call an election.
The NMB, or National Mediation Board, created by the RLA, is the body that determines whether or not a sufficient showing of interest has been obtained. As one who has visited that office, presented the necessary "showing of interest" cards and been involved in a NMB election I can tell you that Ray Burkett is barking up the wrong tree.
This does not bode well for the reform of APA if there are those who want be a part of such reforms can't even make application to the correct government agency. ALPA is like McDonalds, the headquarters tells you what to do and you the store general manager do it. APA, for better or worse, has the ability to work in its own way and spend it's money as it sees fit. This gives the APA an unknown quality that makes APA unpredictable.
Please read the following report from the United States Bureau of Labor Statistics on the American Airlines Pilot sickout over the merger with Reno Air. https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/cwc/profile-of-the-american-airlines-pilot-sickout.pdf
You will see an APA that was very unpredictable, and the leadership at the time under Captain Richard LaVoy went toe toe with AMR management, Don Carty, and a Federal judge. In the end the law prevailed BUT, I do not believe that APA ever paid the fine and they leveraged their "brass balls" move to gain improvements in the contract and merger protections. A legacy AA pilot will have to clarify this but the point is ALPA would never have risked all over the question.
I am not a legacy AA pilot so I don't know the details but as a former ALPA member I can tell you that ALPA would never have allowed that to happen. The first and foremost rule of ALPA is to protect the mother ship. Don't risk fines against Herdon, that would endanger the headquarters. Play it safe, talk out of both sides of you mouth and what ever you do don't rock the boat.
In 1963, the Legacy AA pilots rocked the boat and left ALPA, a landmark decision. In 2008, the legacy US Airways pilots rocked the boat and left ALPA. In the humble opinion of this writer, use that force to reform APA and create an organization that is not afraid to take risks see that the pilots get their due. IMHO, ALPA is not that organization and Doug Parker will be required to see a show of force similar to the one witnessed by Don Carty in the Reno Merger, to make him change his outlook. ALPA will err on the side of safety and protect it's interests and very existence rather than risk loss.
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I am just a servant. Nice of you to leave out that part about Joel Cress and his run ins with the 'law'. Breaking and entering and theft of liquor is a very serious offense. Nice of JEW CO to make him a check airman.
There is this thing called the 'New Covenant' Old Jews who call themselves Jews, who are not Jews, hate this in particular.
There is this thing called the 'New Covenant' Old Jews who call themselves Jews, who are not Jews, hate this in particular.
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Gee, can't imagine why Crastor was rejected by every major airline during a time of record hiring.
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The Toadstool and Ray make quite a team on C&R. The saavy AA boys clearly aren't buying what they are selling. They have the Toadstool correctly pegged as a nasty, resentful dip**it. They think Ray is simply out of his mind, especially after he hijacked a thread last week with an off-topic, berserk outburst.
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