2015 Pilot Discussion.

[Phoenix]

 
I am from planet contract 2004, where the West pilots made $50,000 more per year than their east counterparts, with 3 weeks more vacation, and PBS.
 
I am not on vacation, just bid PBS to get as much time off late this month and the first three days of Jan.  Had on 3 day trip this week but got rid of it on the trade board.
 
PS.  I do not mind coaching you on PBS bidding, as junior guys such as yourself will not effect my bid.

 
 
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[cactusboy53]

Let's make tomorrow (& the weekend) all about Family, Friends & the true meaning of Christmas.

If you're away from home, have a safe trip and return home to those that love & miss you. If you're at home, raise a toast to those that can't be. Merry Christmas to all.

Dave Simmons

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Well junior two points for ya.
 
First, during the period of separate ops, your 330 Captains made more than the average West 320 Captain by the slimmest of margins.
 
Second, it will not "unsettle" any West pilot to taxi past the "beautiful line" of 330s...as the West is getting spooled up to staff the 350s that will be taxiing past that line.

 
Actually, that is not at all correct.  
 
During the period of separate ops, the East 757/767 captains made more than all the West captains by the slimmest of margins, and the A330 captains made quite a bit more than the West captains.  I held both those East bids during the period in question and was gratified that I continued to outearn West pilots even in my 2x-bankruptcy contract while you West slobs were on the best paying contract you had ever managed to eke out of that sandbox s**thole you called an airline.

 

[A320 Driver]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 

[EastUS1]

Merry Christmas everyone!

 
Plus one here and Amen.

 

[nic4us]

 
Actually, that is not at all correct.  
 
During the period of separate ops, the East 757/767 captains made more than all the West captains by the slimmest of margins, and the A330 captains made quite a bit more than the West captains.  I held both those East bids during the period in question and was gratified that I continued to outearn West pilots even in my 2x-bankruptcy contract while you West slobs were on the best paying contract you had ever managed to eke out of that sandbox s**thole you called an airline.

 
Actually, it is you who is not correct.
 
The average line holding West 320 captain made within 10% of what just a few east 330 captains made at top of LOA93 scale.
 
It was you who worked for the "s**thole" you called an airline.  And, you did it for the industry's lowest pay.
 
Since you stated you were an A330 captain, the company thanks you for the $775,000 you gave them in lost wages.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Brochure_Issue_2.pdf  see page 2

 

[EastUS1]

 
Actually, it is you who is not correct.
 
The average line holding West 320 captain made within 10% of what just a few east 330 captains made at top of LOA93 scale.
......... And, you did it for the industry's lowest pay.

 
Huh? So what "you'se" are saying here is that you made "within 10%" of what nyc did, and yet he somehow "did it for the industry's lowest pay"? Whew! Umm...shouldn't the fact that your own (yourself included) worked for less at all affect your "logic" there?....AWA shucks....Just nevermind.

 

[nycbusdriver]

 
Actually, it is you who is not correct.
 
The average line holding West 320 captain made within 10% of what just a few east 330 captains made at top of LOA93 scale.
 
It was you who worked for the "s**thole" you called an airline.  And, you did it for the industry's lowest pay.
 
Since you stated you were an A330 captain, the company thanks you for the $775,000 you gave them in lost wages.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Brochure_Issue_2.pdf  see page 2

 
Westhole captains +/- $142/hour.
 
East A330 captains $163/hour.
 
Just because your spartan literature misinforms your lemmings to keep them sending their money into the Marty fund doesn't make it so.  But it always has seemed you idiots have had a problem with facts.

 

[Claxon]

M.IT. Airline Project Data.
Nic4Naught frequently forgets to refer to longer time periods. The data tells the truth.
America west pay has been lower tier for decades.


Total Pilot and CoPilot Average Block Hours per Month
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
American 46.3 46.4 47.4 48.5 45.5 44.0 39.4 38.6 40.5 44.0 47.0 48.3 48.2 46.6 44.3 45.4 44.7 46.0 46.5 43.7
Continental 45.7 53.0 52.7 49.7 48.4 49.4 48.7 48.8 51.3 52.5 51.7 53.6 54.5 52.5 51.4 50.3 54.3 - - -
Delta 39.0 41.0 43.0 41.2 46.0 41.5 45.0 41.3 41.6 47.5 51.9 50.5 49.6 45.7 42.5 42.0 41.9 41.5 42.3 43.3
Northwest 43.9 43.7 42.9 42.4 41.1 41.4 39.5 42.4 44.3 47.3 46.1 47.1 48.9 44.9 40.4 - - - - -
United 48.5 47.7 42.8 39.7 35.1 38.5 35.8 40.6 40.0 51.2 49.8 49.7 48.6 45.8 45.0 43.8 42.5 45.8 43.3 41.8
US Airways 48.9 47.7 49.1 48.3 46.4 46.4 49.5 48.2 50.6 55.8 64.7 28.0 36.6 50.8 49.8 50.1 50.4 49.6 50.3 47.0
America West 56.2 56.1 55.8 51.5 45.2 52.5 51.3 50.0 49.8 49.9 50.6 - - - - - - - - -
--sub Network 45.4 46.2 45.8 44.4 42.8 43.0 41.8 42.2 43.4 48.5 50.3 46.5 48.0 47.4 45.1 45.2 45.3 44.9 44.6 43.4
Southwest 70.2 69.5 70.7 - 65.8 65.7 62.4 61.2 62.3 63.8 64.5 65.0 64.0 63.7 59.9 60.6 62.1 58.4 58.1 55.6
jetBlue - - - - - 31.2 47.2 56.9 58.8 61.2 59.6 56.9 58.5 56.0 56.6 59.5 58.0 57.4 58.3 54.8
AirTran - - 33.1 52.0 62.6 59.2 51.4 53.4 56.0 57.5 56.8 58.3 59.2 58.7 58.1 55.8 56.3 - - -
Frontier 76.2 60.1 40.1 36.6 38.9 40.0 49.6 50.0 46.4 58.7 55.4 58.2 61.6 104.5 56.3 52.3 54.5 54.8 50.5 46.4
Virgin America - - - - - - - - - - - - - 63.3 65.6 56.1 58.0 65.3 61.8 63.0
--sub LCC 70.3 69.2 64.5 45.0 62.1 60.4 59.4 59.0 59.7 62.2 61.9 62.0 62.0 64.2 59.0 58.9 59.7 58.3 57.9 55.1
Alaska 53.9 52.1 49.4 33.4 32.3 48.3 46.5 49.4 51.1 50.4 58.2 54.3 54.4 53.9 54.9 31.3 31.3 57.8 59.5 55.7
Hawaiian 44.5 48.9 46.7 46.0 1,016.8 40.9 41.5 34.9 37.1 42.0 48.5 46.3 48.8 - 45.2 43.3 40.6 41.1 44.1 45.5
Allegiant - - - - - - - - 43.3 43.6 38.7 53.7 46.0 47.3 54.2 53.6 51.5 55.2 52.4 46.0
-- sub Other 51.8 51.4 48.9 34.6 37.0 46.5 45.3 46.0 47.8 48.7 55.1 52.9 52.3 52.7 52.8 34.3 33.9 53.1 54.5 51.6
Total All Sectors 46.8 47.6 47.1 43.8 43.9 44.6 43.6 44.2 45.6 50.5 52.4 49.7 51.1 51.2 48.6 47.1 47.3 48.5 48.3 46.7
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P10 & T2.

 

[Claxon]

Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
American $ 112,190 $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872 $ 139,963 $ 140,689 $ 147,312 $ 151,558
Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458 $ 178,727 $ - $ - $ -
Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,801 $ 150,099 $ 158,227 $ 181,804 $ 193,555
Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 124,228 $ 125,690 $ 143,076 $ 164,581 $ 185,430
US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199 $ 109,535 $ 118,240 $ 121,069 $ 157,127
America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
--sub Network $ 124,353 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,685 $ 142,089 $ 144,378 $ 160,495 $ 175,846
Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 192,289 $ 203,196 $ 187,551 $ 194,598 $ 197,782
jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546 $ 139,744 $ 139,687 $ 147,109 $ 148,428
AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549 $ 128,225 $ - $ - $ -
Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126 $ 113,250 $ 116,122 $ 116,366 $ 125,811
Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 63,993 $ 75,869 $ 92,070 $ 106,630 $ 134,541
--sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 157,991 $ 167,612 $ 168,703 $ 175,162 $ 178,560
Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061 $ 153,530 $ 155,024 $ 159,858 $ 159,839
Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097 $ 117,354 $ 119,225 $ 134,667 $ 145,434
Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839 $ 89,398 $ 87,993 $ 91,712 $ 94,616
-- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830 $ 133,707 $ 134,423 $ 141,709 $ 143,591
Total All Sectors $ 122,702 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 141,306 $ 147,610 $ 149,640 $ 162,922 $ 174,655
Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.

 

[Claxon]

Actually, it is you who is not correct.
 
The average line holding West 320 captain made within 10% of what just a few east 330 captains made at top of LOA93 scale.
 
It was you who worked for the "s**thole" you called an airline.  And, you did it for the industry's lowest pay.
 
Since you stated you were an A330 captain, the company thanks you for the $775,000 you gave them in lost wages.
 
http://leonidas.cactuspilots.us/Leonidas_Brochure_Issue_2.pdf  see page 2

You seem to have serious issues with telling facts and truths.
Your thoughts NoNicFor9 yrs?

 

[luvthe9]

You seem to have serious issues with telling facts and truths.
Your thoughts NoNicFor9 yrs?

Fuzzy math!

 

[nic4us]

 
Westhole captains +/- $142/hour.
 
East A330 captains $163/hour.
 
Just because your spartan literature misinforms your lemmings to keep them sending their money into the Marty fund doesn't make it so.  But it always has seemed you idiots have had a problem with facts.

 
Yep, and thanks for posting the pay rates.
 
West A320 Captain @ $142/hr getting paid approximately 1080 hrs/yr = $153,360  add to that pay for training etc and you have the average West A320 capt making $155,000/yr with 31 days of vacation and much better benefits and work rules.  We had a West poster on this board show a copy of their W2 at $172,000, which is likely a 757 guy, but more in line with what I made as a West A320 captain for the decade while the scab union led you lemmings off the lets renege on our contracts cliff.
 
east A330 captain @ $163/hr  paid 78 hrs/month = 936 hrs for the year.  936 X $163= $152,000/ year with 2 weeks vacation and no cancellation pay, shitty trip rigs etc. (i.e. less than West)
 
east A320 captain @ $124/hr paid 78 hrs/month = $116,000/ year
 
So, for the entire decade while the east was on LOA93, West A320 captains made what the utmost top of scale east A330 captains made, and the east A320 captains made barely more than West F/Os, and the east F/Os barely made $85,000 /year...or less than most RJ captains at the commuters.
 
The West has no problems with facts, the facts are you reneging malcontents worked for the worst pay in the industry.  Far below West pay, even for your top of scale A330 drivers, who BTW lost over $775,000 in contract improvements.  
 
One more fact for you.  Had the east been brought up to West vacation rules, in 2008 we would have had to hire, NOT FURLOUGH, just to cover the vacation weeks added to the east.  So, not only did you lose $500,000 per east pilot for that ten years.  uscaba is also directly responsible for the furloughs in 2008, contrary to that little vp's assertion that the company was furloughing as a "negotiations tactic".

 

[nic4us]

You seem to have serious issues with telling facts and truths.
Your thoughts NoNicFor9 yrs?

 
What is not true?
 
uscaba held the east on the worst contract in the industry for an entire decade.
 
east pilots lost hundreds of thousands of dollars each, months worth of vacation time off, and any decent position in the current SLI, all to renege on contractual obligations.

 

[nic4us]

 
Huh? So what "you'se" are saying here is that you made "within 10%" of what nyc did, and yet he somehow "did it for the industry's lowest pay"? Whew! Umm...shouldn't the fact that your own (yourself included) worked for less at all affect your "logic" there?....AWA shucks....Just nevermind.

 
No, what I said is NYC flew the A330 for the industry's lowest pay, while I made just as much as him flying the A320 for more than my counterpart at the same company.