2015 Pilot Discussion.

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Eagle, Jan 5, 2015.

  1. nic4us

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    You are gonna love the "fuzzy math" in January, when the expert witnesses shred the east career earnings expectations at the SLI.
     
    But you should not worry.  Nic gave you more than you deserved in the LCC merger, and you will ride the West coattails in the AAL SLI.
     
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  2. EastUS1

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    "while I made just as much as him flying the A320"...?
     
    From nyc's post above: "Westhole captains +/- $142/hour.
     
    East A330 captains $163/hour."
     
    Please do at least show us all your "math" there nic4us....? Let me guess: "Common Core"? ;)
     
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  3. nycbusdriver

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    Well, if you continue to post fictitious numbers made up by you west idiots, of course you can make a silk purse appear like a sows ear.  The east contract was for 85 hours, and several times a year that was upped to 90 along with Pay-No-Credit training sent an A330 captain's W-2 far in excess of anyone on the west.
     
    As far as "losing" money, I lost nothing.  What I did win is watching you idiots pour your own hard-
    earned cash down the legal toilet.
     
    As far as furloughs, by the time Nicolau even presented his abomination, most of the East pilots were back from furlough...and your westicle intransigence led to your own group getting flushed out the bottom for several years.  Good job!  
     
    Besides....it was great fun and well worth the wait for a pay raise to see USAPA's foot on your collective throats.
     
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  4. nic4us

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    Fictitious numbers??
     
    Tell you what.  Pick a year between 2005-2015 and just tell us what your gross income was for that year.  I will even take your word for it.  My best year in that time frame was $172,688, and I did that while still taking my 31 days of vacation.
     
    You lost over $750,000 dollars in wage improvements and a boatload more in time off.  How many days a month did you have to work to get that 85 hour line?  And even flying an 85 hour line @ $163/hr you still only made shy of $170,000.
     
    Glad you had fun watching the uscaba's foot on our "collective throats", now it is your turn to watch as the West puts that foot up your collective azzes.
     
    Oh, and one more thing......our hard earned money has not stopped paying legal dividends.  Lets see what Judges Silver and Conrad rule.
     
     
    Actually, two more things...you do realize the West is still the highest paid group on the new pay scales right?  Every day there are what our contract calls red flag trips in open time.  They pay %150.  So, many West captains are out there flying at $342/hr  every day.  I am told there are gonna be West capts breaking $400,000 this year.  Are you gonna do that on your 330? 
     
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  5. Phoenix

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    .... Uhm, Nic4US, read NY's post carefully.. It appears the AOL shiny brochures almost have him convinced. I suggest you all gen up a new brochure and send it out to the stolen addresses, and while you are at it maybe include the reAAl pilots too!
     
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  6. luvthe9

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    Geez, wye do little scabs whine so much then, fishbowl letter, thought you would not want anything to change making that much............sure you were "told"
     
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  7. EastUS1

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    Um Hmm...and you actually believe that? Small wonder about your postings these past years then. No matter. Little doubt can even exist that the Easter Bunny, "karma" or at least the Tooth Fairy will soon be along to make that "$400,000 this year" happen. After all; just look what they've all done for the nic so far.
     
    Just FYI kid: "I am told" does not constitute at all sound (or even slightly logical) argument of any kind.
     
    nic4us: "You lost over $750,000 dollars in wage improvements and a boatload more in time off."...? That figure's gone up a lot since first imagined by "you'se". My recollection was of fatuous claims of merely "half a million" only. Is your latest fantasy from Common Core "math" or simply adjusted for inflation since your last time through Fantasyland?
     
    P.S. Whatever happened to those literally "Billions in Damages" you long ago posted about as being inevitable? nic4us: "now it is your turn to watch as the West puts that foot up your collective azzes." Should we take that as again/still/any day now/what? Is there at least yet another "T-Minus" countdown clock you could charitably set so that we'll all be spiritually prepared for the always-and-forever-promised east apocalypse? Sigh...It's been well over 8 years now listening to "you'se" juvenile nonsense.  Bottom Line: You really should consider some professional help son.
     
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  8. Claxon

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    The MIT data proves you are an outright liar. Your tenure at america west has largely been bottom dweller pay and benefits.
     
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  9. Claxon

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    Average Annual Wages and Salaries - PILOT AND CO-PILOT PERSONNEL
    NO ADJUSTMENTS MADE
    1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007 2008 2009 2010 2011 2012 2013 2014
    American $ 112,190 $ 116,470 $ 131,651 $ 137,971 $ 130,099 $ 132,477 $ 123,244 $ 126,335 $ 130,019 $ 129,947 $ 137,734 $ 138,290 $ 138,743 $ 138,792 $ 137,482 $ 139,872 $ 139,963 $ 140,689 $ 147,312 $ 151,558
    Continental $ 90,461 $ 108,561 $ 124,152 $ 154,401 $ 161,395 $ 166,752 $ 163,624 $ 136,686 $ 140,028 $ 145,061 $ 128,724 $ 123,618 $ 133,318 $ 136,253 $ 150,211 $ 156,458 $ 178,727 $ - $ - $ -
    Delta $ 129,315 $ 134,016 $ 131,249 $ 121,885 $ 143,880 $ 150,549 $ 185,982 $ 173,365 $ 197,380 $ 209,330 $ 155,532 $ 127,268 $ 128,756 $ 125,616 $ 132,374 $ 142,801 $ 150,099 $ 158,227 $ 181,804 $ 193,555
    Northwest $ 154,635 $ 131,641 $ 126,107 $ 142,578 $ 128,100 $ 134,441 $ 138,427 $ 148,084 $ 161,931 $ 169,208 $ 143,618 $ 117,556 $ 132,009 $ 120,798 $ 146,675 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
    United $ 135,728 $ 146,249 $ 147,212 $ 135,886 $ 117,920 $ 132,126 $ 138,627 $ 184,429 $ 116,998 $ 132,010 $ 115,242 $ 114,985 $ 115,711 $ 119,460 $ 125,465 $ 124,228 $ 125,690 $ 143,076 $ 164,581 $ 185,430
    US Airways $ 127,154 $ 132,437 $ 135,623 $ 135,762 $ 128,722 $ 119,513 $ 157,090 $ 153,587 $ 154,638 $ 132,741 $ 120,124 $ 91,419 $ 103,487 $ 113,851 $ 111,329 $ 110,199 $ 109,535 $ 118,240 $ 121,069 $ 157,127
    America West $ 77,093 $ 82,589 $ 86,289 $ 85,117 $ 75,045 $ 99,221 $ 99,301 $ 92,148 $ 92,111 $ 100,269 $ 101,279 $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ -
    --sub Network $ 124,353 $ 128,147 $ 132,550 $ 134,301 $ 129,881 $ 136,773 $ 146,041 $ 150,515 $ 145,082 $ 150,572 $ 133,466 $ 120,889 $ 126,615 $ 127,031 $ 133,979 $ 136,685 $ 142,089 $ 144,378 $ 160,495 $ 175,846
    Southwest $ 107,109 $ 106,862 $ 110,905 $ - $ 109,958 $ 110,601 $ 112,259 $ 117,558 $ 130,069 $ 144,511 $ 157,420 $ 165,882 $ 167,112 $ 172,750 $ 176,726 $ 192,289 $ 203,196 $ 187,551 $ 194,598 $ 197,782
    jetBlue $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 22,132 $ 56,644 $ 93,332 $ 93,532 $ 95,841 $ 96,734 $ 98,927 $ 105,893 $ 107,647 $ 124,680 $ 140,546 $ 139,744 $ 139,687 $ 147,109 $ 148,428
    AirTran $ 54,838 $ 65,770 $ 68,926 $ 75,335 $ 85,709 $ 89,593 $ 98,055 $ 95,809 $ 96,527 $ 99,311 $ 100,952 $ 104,265 $ 108,549 $ 128,225 $ - $ - $ -
    Frontier $ - $ - $ - $ 27,592 $ 29,091 $ 37,516 $ 102,065 $ 109,865 $ 110,417 $ 112,256 $ 99,879 $ 102,726 $ 108,905 $ 107,707 $ 96,119 $ 101,126 $ 113,250 $ 116,122 $ 116,366 $ 125,811
    Virgin America $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 73,576 $ 63,993 $ 75,869 $ 92,070 $ 106,630 $ 134,541
    --sub LCC $ 104,933 $ 102,696 $ 90,662 $ 42,482 $ 94,394 $ 93,100 $ 103,964 $ 110,930 $ 118,997 $ 129,200 $ 134,414 $ 138,041 $ 140,335 $ 141,328 $ 147,776 $ 157,991 $ 167,612 $ 168,703 $ 175,162 $ 178,560
    Alaska $ 104,893 $ 106,838 $ 114,791 $ 52,344 $ 52,773 $ 132,140 $ 141,808 $ 151,734 $ 163,211 $ 160,974 $ 145,953 $ 129,620 $ 130,022 $ 132,877 $ 163,096 $ 150,061 $ 153,530 $ 155,024 $ 159,858 $ 159,839
    Hawaiian $ 74,565 $ 75,803 $ 79,762 $ 76,402 $ 1,859,096 $ 79,289 $ 90,924 $ 111,463 $ 105,289 $ 121,216 $ 132,782 $ 125,350 $ 126,812 $ - $ 117,351 $ 120,097 $ 117,354 $ 119,225 $ 134,667 $ 145,434
    Allegiant $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ - $ 47,559 $ 47,861 $ 56,870 $ 65,419 $ 83,839 $ 89,398 $ 87,993 $ 91,712 $ 94,616
    -- sub Other $ 98,089 $ 100,372 $ 107,795 $ 54,637 $ 61,422 $ 119,120 $ 130,189 $ 142,453 $ 146,566 $ 147,649 $ 132,102 $ 121,036 $ 118,392 $ 118,887 $ 137,507 $ 131,830 $ 133,707 $ 134,423 $ 141,709 $ 143,591
    Total All Sectors $ 122,702 $ 125,956 $ 129,090 $ 127,624 $ 123,509 $ 132,567 $ 141,695 $ 145,965 $ 141,849 $ 147,394 $ 133,569 $ 124,080 $ 129,065 $ 129,802 $ 137,194 $ 141,306 $ 147,610 $ 149,640 $ 162,922 $ 174,655
    Note: Shaded data means data appear questionable.
    Data Source: US DOT Form 41 via BTS, Schedule P6 & P10.
     
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  10. Claxon

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    NoNic4 9 yrs will cherry pick a few years and act as if his career was exactly like that. NoNic4 9 yrs insists he is a captain. If he is a captain, he worked at awa for the very bad years clearly listed in the facts of the MIT data.
    NoNicFor9 yrs insists the FISHBOWL is utopia, yet argues for the Nic relentlessly. There is a disconnect.
    Your thoughts. NoNic4us?
    Was your pay in the early decades of your career as bad as the data says?
     
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  11. Phoenix

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    Another new year's eve celebration is right around the corner and once again the west will celebrate without beer or fireworks. Marty has all the beer and fireworks money. Drive by Marty's house and he will let ya see his fireworks, from the street. But don't be asking to drink his beer.
     
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  12. cactusboy53

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    Oohh.....NOT DESPERATE AT ALL BOYS. Rage against the machine all you want. The completion of the SLI starts in a week, and arguments end in 21 days.

    Be PREPARED for ANY outcome, and REMEMBER. ....the list is FINAL AND BINDING (just like the last one).
     
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  13. luvthe9

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    Dave, "DESPERATE" is your fishbowl letter and the latest PHX update that your signature was on............Wye do you continue to be the base fool?
     
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  14. Phoenix

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    The only similarity between this arbitration and the last is that both are fair and equitable, in the eyes of their respective arbitrators. So what? They think their baby is beautiful. Of course they do.

    Unlike the last one, this one is void of contingencies controlled by the pilots. No pilot controls anything from here (you guys already voted 98% in favor for what is happening now. Enjoy the suspense of the show!).

    Prepare yourself for two things. 1) the BOA decision will indeed fall within a wide range of reasonableness--a very, very wide range, and 2) the company may or may not have IT issues for a long time.

    P.S. You don't have to keep donating money in an attempt to manipulate the outcome. The pilot influence is over.

    You really can spend your money on your own beer and fireworks. Try it!!
     
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  15. luvthe9

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    P.S. You don't have to keep donating money in an attempt to manipulate the outcome. The pilot influence is over.
    You really can spend your money on your own beer and fireworks. Try it!![/quote]




    They kind of have to donations are way down and they are still in debt to Marty.
     
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