except they don't deliver those things.... and I have consistently said that if DL people thought they could get a better deal, they would jump - but they haven't. let's also be clear... no one hates anyone because they support unions - or at least I don't. but let's be equally honest that the same reasons why the labor union is in decline is the same reason why DL employees have consistently voted that they don't want to change a system that has protected more jobs than any union has done in the network carrier segment of the industry and has resulted in better pay and benefits, including more job locations for DL employees than exist at any other airline. As much as you all like to point out the succeed of WN - which is indeed a success- the logic about unions falls apart if other similarly unionized network/legacy airlines are held up to the same standard as WN. When labor corrects the problems that everyone else seems to recognize but labor itself, then the movement will grow. But let's be clear that there were people who argued until the end that the typewriter would never become obsolete. Failure to adapt most certainly does lead to obsolescence. Failure to listen to the very real criticisms that people level against your ideas only demonstrates the fragility of one's positions.