AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

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  1. dfw gen

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    Had that conversation with peterson 2 years ago. He blew me off.
     
  2. dfw gen

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    I understand completely, in fact in i personally look forward to the road show.
     
  3. CremaDiLimone

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    what if i made a post in 2013 that lus members shouldn't be brought up to my wages and we'll keep it on the table for both sides in the future??

    i said the company made a wrong, right. you guys got moved up. it was the right thing to do.

    what about now? what's the right thing to do?
     
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  4. Duke787

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    Here’s what I noticed.


    1) we got the pay and scope that Isom said we were going to get YEARS ago in a townhall meeting.

    2) it took 16% to make AMTs highest paid. It took 4.8% to make FSC highest paid.

    3) the association created a us and them contract instead of one union one voice. Instead of All association members pulling in one direction.
     
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  5. CremaDiLimone

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    yeah, probably both. any advice or input from laa is self-serving and they disregard.

    you can see the dysfunction from miles away. wall street knows and punishes the stock. it will spread that the company threw fuel on a labor fire with a $4+ billion deal with the compensatory disparity.

    i guarantee you in 5 years (if this passes), lus will get more of a 'bonus' because of the pain of losing their 'exclusive' insurance. sito has already set the table for that in 5 years. mark my words.

    in my opinion, these guys have forfeited their positions.
     
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  6. dfw gen

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    Maybe, maybe not. Who says they will even be iam or twu members? Especially on m&e.
     
  7. CremaDiLimone

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    good point. though i can see stores as big assoc. fans and all iam assoc. members, how could they want to leave this assoc.?
     
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  8. dfw gen

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    How is it the iam kept the pension AND got a 4% 401k match, and our 401k match only went up 3.5%?
     
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  9. Racer X

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    IAM got 5% into IAMNPF with 4% 401k match
    TWU got 5% base 401k with 4% 401k match
    Are you saying you have a half of 1% 401k match currently?
     
  10. Kev3188

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    ^This^

    This JCBA was supposed to bring you all together. Instead it only seems to reinforce the existing fractures. That’s not how representation is supposed to work!

    LAA vs. LUS
    Senior vs. Junior
    FT vs. PT
    Ramp vs. AMT
    And everything else in between.

    Many of you may not GAF, but for everyone that has lamented about how far AA has fallen (and everyone that hopes to see it get back on top) this should be a big deal. That Sito and Garcia can’t- or won’t- see that tells me that they really have no business advocating for labor in 2020.
     
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  11. CremaDiLimone

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    don't ask. we all benefited from the merger.
     
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  12. CremaDiLimone

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    yes, laa is at 5 1/2% match at the moment.

    going forward (or backwards)...sito got laa a 5% automatic and 4% match.
     
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  13. V.O. Reason

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    With the Ps that would have been above DL and without the split insurance it would have changed as well
     
  14. Paul Too

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    If You Have to ask..........
     
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  15. 1AA

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    #1500 1AA, Feb 5, 2020
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    This is why we all have to read the full proposal before we open our big mouths and say Vote Yes. Unfortunately it won't happen for most. If you read the full proposal then vote Yes I can say you made an educated decision. If you listen to the association without self informing then it's history repeating itself over again.
     
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