AA and Labor Negotiations-2020

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Eagle, Dec 31, 2019.

  1. CremaDiLimone

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    - how could the twu have stolen your seniority? this was a merger, not an acquisition. no one from non-union passenger service laa lost their 'seniority' when they voted in the lus passenger service union. how do you steal seniority?

    the time to make things right was 2014 - for all. you guys got a stand-alone contract. in retrospect, the twu and iam should have bitched and moaned to get all on the same deal at the same time.

    why would i sell you out for double-time and holidays? in early 2003, i was earning $24+/hr, had 12 paid sick days a year and had 10 paid (work it or not) holidays at double time and a half for laa.

    like no one from laa has ever tasted honey before? in early 2003, lus had just finished their 2nd BK in 3 years??

    looks like this merger has given you some courage.

    the company (laa and laa-lus merged) has been giggling all the way to the bank for nearly 10 years because the majority of it's assoc. employees are still working under a 2011 bk contract.
     
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  2. B777master

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    Have you been invited to join them on the 29 thru the close of business day on the 31?
    So after all those dates will be needed with the NMB?? Did AMERICAN has not picked up the phone to make that call?? Do you get tired off all the bull? Or you are to remain quiet or else the big boys will have a house painter go visit you, or roadside mechanic give your car a tune up? How can you
    Mr. Prez remain so oblivious with all the bull that your higher-ups at the international are pulling?
     
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  3. swamt

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    Redundant as Traymark has already answered the question but deserves to be repeated.
    Yes this was 2 years ago, and now cleared up, a year AFTER the Exec. Nego's Cmte stole the show from the Pres. and original nego cmte. in order to "speed up nego's to get er done." Yea right. More like to stall out so the IAM members can still enjoy the medical, pension, and other "more" perks than the TWU currently has.

    And this is after the E.N.C. has forced their way in.

    Thanks for that Traymark, I was going to ask when the exec cmte was put in place, or, rather, force into place and removing the Pres. I really thought it might have been even longer than 3 years, anyone have that date of announcement handy???
     
  4. V.O. Reason

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    The problem with the fact nothing got done last week again makes you wonder what or who is holding this up.
    Remember the words in the update, they hoped those dates would not be needed.
    To me since they are needed it means the Ass is holding out for something the company is not willing to change so to me these meetings will be completely fruitless and again I believe we are not talking about a huge monetary difference.
    This crap needs a conclusion this week or we are totally screwed ,and yes I’m tired of saying this since in reality we have already been screwed
     
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  6. swamt

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    So maybe this is one of the reasons behind the 400 or so new hires in Tulsa? The pension, the medical and of course we all know they want yes votes on the first offer out of the gates, right?? I too hope the new hires are smart enough to ask and investigate what the history is at AA since the forced merger, no representational vote, and soon other items forced upon them by this asso. Wake up new hires and ask questions. Just because you are new hires should not stop you from looking out for your futures.

    No offence but remember when the TWU'ers were calling on you IAM'ers for support and unity for some info picketing and other forms of support? I am in no way for any kind of division, but think about this. And YES, this asso caused all the division within the ranks NOT the members themselves. To ask for support now and how strong you could look is a bit hypocritical now don't ya think?
    What should have happened from the very get go is, a vote between the TWU and IAM-period. Now although too late for that, these two unions should have gotten together and brought in the best of eaches contracts and settled for nothing less. As far as the cat seniority, fences to protect the current then go with one of the two's way of doing that. The combination of these two unions was the absolute dumbest idea ever. Too many differences. Too much infighting (still going on) and to switch who is in control every 2-3 years is just ridiculous.
    Again, not at all for division, but unfortunately, this asso caused it all, and with the IAM being the biggest controller I do blame them, but not the members themselves. Matter fact I don't blame the members for wanting to keep the better of the two, that is only natural. This freakin pathetic asso. should have NEVER came to fruition, period...
     
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  7. Talos

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    Who knows what the holdup is? Could be the IAM holding out for a reason, and who could blame them if it benefits them. Could be the unimpressive mgmt who treats employees as adversaries. One thing for sure the TWU will not man up and communicate the truth to their members. Their silence speaks volumes. It's an embarrassment to be associated with them as an international rep and Samuelson and Garcia are an embarrassment. It's like our own union has sold us down the river. Bad thing is, as time goes on the more disgusted you get.
     
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  8. CremaDiLimone

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    you're exactly right, i did say you won the lottery - and you act like it....lus was today's delta in the 80s-90s-00s?? sure it was.

    you were the one trying to hide the fact that lus in the non-hubs were at $20/hr? there were lus in my station that told us all that.

    the point is, laa feels that lus has benefited more from this merger. i remember the weez telling me we all benefited - i didn't get angry at him, i knew people he felt important told him to stop that divisive talk. as it turns out, the divisiveness is twu vs. twu, as the AMTs are pushing to break away.

    i believe that your positions of the twu stealing your seniority or twu members will sell out the iam for holidays and 2 1/2 pay are ridiculous.

    i did agree with you on your seniority beef..PT at lus only counted for 1/2 time for awhile. the iam has done an excellent job, if they would have worked that for you, they would have done a phenomenal job.

    i don't know what to expect from the twu??? the iam has come here and spoke directly to you; they are looking out for you.
     
  9. dfw gen

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    That is why i have dedicated my efforts to dump the association. Other card drives i signed a card and sat down. This time i have been instrumental in getting two class two stations signed at 98%. Its clear the association is divided the twu amd the iam dont like each other. Its a marriage of tolerance. Time for change the dont listen to the membership, they really dont care what our opinions are and what we want. I have pleaded for information to be put out to the membership, the membership has begged for information and still they refuse.
    Its to the point the twu has screwed their membership and taken us for granted for so long i dont think it matters what they say we just dont beleive them.
    No the association has had their chance to prove their value to the membership. They have failed to do that and they continue to insist on failing the membership. Time for change way past time.

    NO VOTE NO PEACE.
     
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  10. V.O. Reason

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    Well I’ve been with IAM over these past many years and into this merger and the only benefits I’ve seen was the lower cost of my insurance.
    Other than that I’m still in the looser IMPF, with a 401K match on the table, missing holidays, pay raises.
    All of this because I do believe the IAM is calling the shots and holding back this agreement.
    So don’t tell me their working for me or helping at all
     
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  11. ALUS78

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    Stop do you really think they are going to force current TWU members into the IAMPF ?I thought we already crossed that bridge with a not happening
     
  12. dfw gen

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    If a few more stepped up where and when needed this would be done by june
     
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  13. ALUS78

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    You really think the IAM is holding things up? Its very possible you could be wrong and lets say they are, shouldnt the TWU do the same if the shoe were on the other foot.I would think its a unions job to do the best for their members. I get mad when the union gets a deservingly fired dirt bag their job back.But thats what unions do
     
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    I thought he looked like a fool before but...go ahead
     
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  15. ALUS78

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    Are you willing to vote no on any contract no matter how lucrative for you to keep new hires out of the pension plan??
     

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