AA Mechanic's seek card drive for AMFA representation

JetMech321

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I encourage US Airways Mechanic's to take a watchful eye on the developments of this drive.

Get educated on AMFA. If in fact this merger does happen. We could be faced with a vote between the IAM and AMFA.

No secrets with AMFA. Members are able to attend contract negotiations and see what is being discussed.

No back room deal at the bar or that sort of thing.
 
Members are asked to leave the room when financial and confidential information is discussed.

And AMFA leads all unions in outsourcing of mechanics work.

WN, NW, AS, go read the CBAs.
 
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Does AMFA have a history of conceasionary agreements?

Did AMFA begin the the 2002 concessions train only to then offer two further rounds of give backs in bankruptcy?

Has the AMFA ever misrepresented their membership?

Wasn't it the IAM that lined up SCABs on behalf of NWA in 2005 to bust AMFA?

Josh
 
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AMFA gave concession at UA, AS and NW.

US was in chapter 11 and had no choice.

Yes see NW and UA. (voted out)

And no the IAM did not help NW recruit scabs.
 
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Its interesting, I had a discussion with a nAAtive FA on my flight to MIA the other day. She was saying that the TWA FAs have mischanelled their anger at APFA rather than the responsible party, the IAM. Did the IAM waive the scope and successorship clause in the CBA? Was the IAM also unwilling to fund an appeal on behald of their own members?

I also remember vividly talking to an ex-TWA flight attendant (who did great service) and wasn't wearing the APFA pin, Got Guts pin, or Got Guts lanyard. I didn't know she was ex-TWA and poliely asked why she wasn't wearing the usual accessories. She explained her feelings towards APFA and they aren't a real union and holds them responsible for dropping the ball in the seniority integration. She also said that she and many other TWA FAs would gladly cross the picketlines of APFA members were a strike or job action to take place.

So which is most accurate?

Josh
 
AMFA gave concession at UA, AS and NW.

US was in chapter 11 and had no choice.

Yes see NW and UA. (voted out)

And no the IAM did not help NW recruit scabs.

How were the UAL concessions any different from US? They were in c11. And in their bankruptcy they retained higher wages than US bankruptcy. At NW, they went on strike because of the terms the company wanted at the table. Never heard of AMFA telling their members that they are confused...
 
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The IAM spent over $2 Million on TW's former FA's, and AA wouldnt have bought them if they didnt wave the LPPs, that's a fact.

Read the facts:

http://www.wholesale-pcs.com/IAMFacts/TWA%20Revised%20Seniority%20Pres%20Jan%202011.pdf

Was WN in Chapter 11 when AMFA agreed recently to let them send 737s to Aeroman in San Salvador?
 
Was WN in Chapter 11 when AMFA agreed recently to let them send 737s to Aeroman in San Salvador?

It looks the same as the IAM allowing US to outsource some of the Airbus work. They weren't in C11 in 2008 either. Also, I dont see AMFA natl bleeding the locals dry, the same way the GL is.
 
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Does AMFA have a history of conceasionary agreements?

Did AMFA begin the the 2002 concessions train only to then offer two further rounds of give backs in bankruptcy?

Has the AMFA ever misrepresented their membership?

Wasn't it the IAM that lined up SCABs on behalf of NWA in 2005 to bust AMFA?

Josh

Does AMFA demand that you revote after you already voted to reject a contract, explaining that you must revote because you were confused when you voted NO? :lol:
 
Its interesting, I had a discussion with a nAAtive FA on my flight to MIA the other day. She was saying that the TWA FAs have mischanelled their anger at APFA rather than the responsible party, the IAM. Did the IAM waive the scope and successorship clause in the CBA? Was the IAM also unwilling to fund an appeal on behald of their own members?

I also remember vividly talking to an ex-TWA flight attendant (who did great service) and wasn't wearing the APFA pin, Got Guts pin, or Got Guts lanyard. I didn't know she was ex-TWA and poliely asked why she wasn't wearing the usual accessories. She explained her feelings towards APFA and they aren't a real union and holds them responsible for dropping the ball in the seniority integration. She also said that she and many other TWA FAs would gladly cross the picketlines of APFA members were a strike or job action to take place.

So which is most accurate?

Josh

Do you always have to flame bait AAerSTL?
 
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It looks the same as the IAM allowing US to outsource some of the Airbus work. They weren't in C11 in 2008 either. Also, I dont see AMFA natl bleeding the locals dry, the same way the GL is.
Allowed?

US violated the IAM CBA, the IAM took them to court, won an injunction against the company as it was declared a major dispute.

The ruling was overturned on appeal and it went to arbitration where the IAM prevailed once again.

Our CBA was abrogated in 2005 in the second chapter 11 case and the final offer CBA permitted outsourcing, in bankruptcy. Now 50% of all mtc dollars must be done in-house.
 
Alaska Mechanics Not Protected Against Farm Outs
April 30, 2003

Well as a fine example of how well AMFA has done to represent the mechanics and related at Alaska Airlines once again we see that AMFA failed to negotiate Farm Out protection for their members at Alaska.

Under Article 2 Scope of Agreement Paragraph C states:

The Company agrees that all work normally performed by the employees covered by this Agreement in its Maintenance Shops, Airport Stations, or other facilities is recognized as coming within the jurisdiction of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and is covered by this Agreement. The parties agree that the Company may (1) continue to contract out work heretofore customarily farmed out; (2) return equipment, parts, or assemblies to the manufacturers or to a manufacturer-approved repair station for repair or replacement; (3) purchase necessary parts, equipment or facilities including but not limited to the installation of fixed equipment and new facilities construction; (4) contract out any work when the Company's facilities, equipment or personnel are not sufficient or available or where employees covered by this Agreement do not have the experience and ability to satisfactorily perform the work required or warranty agreements exist; (5) contract out any work for which the Company's cost exceeds the vendors charges, less material; (6) reserve the right to contract out other work with the approval of the Union.

This was negotiated with the first AMFA contract at Alaska and was not amended with this last contract negotiations. Why is AMFA letting Alaska farm out what ever work they want and as much as they want?

The "Iron Clad" farm out protection that AMFA boastfully negotiated for the Northwest Mechanic backfired on AMFA with so much work being farmed out now that 4,500 mechanics and related have been laid off at Northwest while their Heavy Maintenance is done over seas and their engine work is being done at a 3rd party maintenance facility just to site a couple examples.

But when O.V. Delle Femine was asked about farm out protection and the lack of it in the Alaska, Atlantic Coast, and Mesaba contracts. Delle said that the Scope Clause protected them from farming out maintenance.

Well Delle you lied again. Since AMFA came to Alaska mechanics in Seattle where told approximately 1.5 to 2 years ago that Seattle was going to be a line maintenance base only and that they would have to relocate to Oakland where the heavy maintenance would be done.

Many mechanics relocated and some where even laid off because of this change. Now this might not seem so bad except for the fact that the 737 heavy maintenance that had been done in Seattle did not relocate with the mechanics. Instead Alaska is farming out all 737 heavy checks to B.F. Goodrich Aerospace (Tramco) in Everett, WA. This accounts for 70% of their fleet. Alaska has 71 737's (9 737-200C, 40 737-400, 16 737-700, and 6 737-900) and 31 MD80's.

70% of all the heavy maintenance at Alaska Airlines is being farmed out to a 3rd party non-union maintenance facility. While AMFA has not done anything to stop it! Where is their protection? How many other companies will be allowed to farm out their maintenance at the expense of the hard working mechanics at those airlines?

While hard working mechanics get laid off and their work is farmed out Delle does nothing. Instead of relaxing in the grand AMFA castle in the golden promise land in Loconia, NH maybe Delle should do something about protecting the work of those he represents.

AMFA 25,000 members in 2000, now 3,000. The UA guys ran away from AMFA when they saw how they fought for the IND and OAK bases. Those jobs were given up under AMFA's watch which is a big reason why they smartened up and left the craft union for the industrial one (IBT).

Keep spinning Dave. Not working.

Giving up 90% of your members so that 10% could get a pay raise. Priceless.

The 4/26 deal was for only 1,300 AMT jobs to be outsourced. Even under the 3/22 deal it goes to about 3,000. So 4,000 on the Line and almost 4,000 in TUL. That is still better than the craft union did at UA and NW. What was that number of jobs outsourced at NW again? What about AS? What happened their? No BK and where was the craft union fight?


AMFA has permitted massive outsourcing. The following work has been outsourced during AMFA’s time as representative:
  • Wheel and Brake Shop – AMFA settled a grievance brought before they were voted in and agreed to farm this work out.
  • 737 Heavy Check – moved from SEA to OAK and then lost completely when the base was closed in September 2004 without notice, cutting 340 jobs. Maintenance work outsourced to Goodrich ATS in Everett, WA and AAR in OKC
  • MD80 Heavy Check
  • GSE Work – GSE mechanics walked off like criminals
  • Seat Shop
  • Slide Shop
  • Window Shop
  • Fabricator Shop
  • Accessory Shop
  • Paint Shop
  • APU Shop
  • Composite Shop
  • Intermediate Maintenance
  • Engine Shop
 
It is allowed in the current CBA that was voted in by the membership. You know, the TA that passed in 2008? So yeah, they gave up the 100% airbus work done in house. You like to make it seem that the IAM is above all of these other unions, like pointing out that AMFA was voted out. What you fail to mention is that the IAM was voted out of NWA and UAL, in favor of AMFA. You don't work for US or the IAM anymore, no need to toe the line.
 
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It was not section 6 negotiations, it was just a T/A to add the west under the east CBA, it still was a continuation of the Chapter 11 CBA. The TA brought more work in-house and limited the outsourcing where under the Chapter 11 CBA there was no limit.

And AMFA was voted out at UA, now wasnt it?

And AMFA failed drastically at NW and was voted out upon the merger with DL, now wasnt it?

They represent WN and AS who have a hire percentage of farmed out work than US.
 
Alaska Mechanics Not Protected Against Farm Outs
April 30, 2003

Well as a fine example of how well AMFA has done to represent the mechanics and related at Alaska Airlines once again we see that AMFA failed to negotiate Farm Out protection for their members at Alaska.

Under Article 2 Scope of Agreement Paragraph C states:

The Company agrees that all work normally performed by the employees covered by this Agreement in its Maintenance Shops, Airport Stations, or other facilities is recognized as coming within the jurisdiction of the Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association and is covered by this Agreement. Theparties agree that the Company may (1) continue to contract out work heretofore customarily farmed out; (2) return equipment, parts, or assemblies to the manufacturers or to a manufacturer-approved repair station for repair or replacement; (3) purchase necessary parts, equipment or facilities including but not limited to the installation of fixed equipment and new facilities construction; (4) contract out any work when the Company's facilities, equipment or personnel are not sufficient or available or where employees covered by this Agreement do not have the experience and ability to satisfactorily perform the work required or warranty agreements exist; (5) contract out any work for which the Company's cost exceeds the vendors charges, less material; (6) reserve the right to contract out other work with the approval of the Union.

This was negotiated with the first AMFA contract at Alaska and was not amended with this last contract negotiations. Why is AMFA letting Alaska farm out what ever work they want and as much as they want?

The "Iron Clad" farm out protection that AMFA boastfully negotiated for the Northwest Mechanic backfired on AMFA with so much work being farmed out now that 4,500 mechanics and related have been laid off at Northwest while their Heavy Maintenance is done over seas and their engine work is being done at a 3rd party maintenance facility just to site a couple examples.

But when O.V. Delle Femine was asked about farm out protection and the lack of it in the Alaska, Atlantic Coast, and Mesaba contracts. Delle said that the Scope Clause protected them from farming out maintenance.

Well Delle you lied again. Since AMFA came to Alaska mechanics in Seattle where told approximately 1.5 to 2 years ago that Seattle was going to be a line maintenance base only and that they would have to relocate to Oakland where the heavy maintenance would be done.

Many mechanics relocated and some where even laid off because of this change. Now this might not seem so bad except for the fact that the 737 heavy maintenance that had been done in Seattle did not relocate with the mechanics. Instead Alaska is farming out all 737 heavy checks to B.F. Goodrich Aerospace (Tramco) in Everett, WA. This accounts for 70% of their fleet. Alaska has 71 737's (9 737-200C, 40 737-400, 16 737-700, and 6 737-900) and 31 MD80's.

70% of all the heavy maintenance at Alaska Airlines is being farmed out to a 3rd party non-union maintenance facility. While AMFA has not done anything to stop it! Where is their protection? How many other companies will be allowed to farm out their maintenance at the expense of the hard working mechanics at those airlines?

While hard working mechanics get laid off and their work is farmed out Delle does nothing. Instead of relaxing in the grand AMFA castle in the golden promise land in Loconia, NH maybe Delle should do something about protecting the work of those he represents.

AMFA 25,000 members in 2000, now 3,000. The UA guys ran away from AMFA when they saw how they fought for the IND and OAK bases. Those jobs were given up under AMFA's watch which is a big reason why they smartened up and left the craft union for the industrial one (IBT).

Keep spinning Dave. Not working.

Giving up 90% of your members so that 10% could get a pay raise. Priceless.

The 4/26 deal was for only 1,300 AMT jobs to be outsourced. Even under the 3/22 deal it goes to about 3,000. So 4,000 on the Line and almost 4,000 in TUL. That is still better than the craft union did at UA and NW. What was that number of jobs outsourced at NW again? What about AS? What happened their? No BK and where was the craft union fight?


AMFA has permitted massive outsourcing. The following work has been outsourced during AMFA’s time as representative:
  • Wheel and Brake Shop – AMFA settled a grievance brought before they were voted in and agreed to farm this work out.
  • 737 Heavy Check – moved from SEA to OAK and then lost completely when the base was closed in September 2004 without notice, cutting 340 jobs. Maintenance work outsourced to Goodrich ATS in Everett, WA and AAR in OKC
  • MD80 Heavy Check
  • GSE Work – GSE mechanics walked off like criminals
  • Seat Shop
  • Slide Shop
  • Window Shop
  • Fabricator Shop
  • Accessory Shop
  • Paint Shop
  • APU Shop
  • Composite Shop
  • Intermediate Maintenance
  • Engine Shop

Hey overspeed... I mean 700, looks like you got your different logins mixed up.