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Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by conehead777, Feb 15, 2017.
Give him some time, he's gotta find something to "cut & paste."
I do remember. I also remember people started to come back in droves after about 2 years. Meanwhile, our rocket scientist negotiators had us locked into a 5 year POS contract with no snap backs of any sort. Completely gutting decades of work for pay and benefits. To no surprise, here we are still working under the same work rules and benefits 16 f'n years later. What logical person could even consider this as reasonable?
Ok now go and look up all of those intervening years and tell me how many of them were showing old AMR earning bucket loads of profit where they were able to afford all those snap backs?
Not to mention at the time one of the reasons AMR claimed to need to finally go through Bankruptcy was that it’s Labor costs were higher than the rest of the industry overall.
BTW outside of Delta alone if you go to any of those non Union outfits out there all of those great benefits we want back don’t even exist at all.
Granted I’m not saying I don’t want them back too but I’m not going to give in to all the garbage in language the Company wants us to take to get it.
Do you want what the Company has offered?
Yes weez pls do, and you need to include 1983 that's when the real concessions started at AA and continued for decades and are still living under a BK contract now.
And to save jobs.
Swampy I see Weasel mentioned Eastern Airlines, those guys the mechanics never got to officially strike Eastern management went to a judge claimed they were going to sabotage the airplanes, and they were locked out.Case closed on the IAM.
I have noticed a pattern here. When guys are more junior on the Seniority list they’re more willing to give up pay than be laid off. That’s understandable since who knows how long they could potentially be out if they voted themselves out. Sure they would come back to a higher paid gig but how much could they lose in the interim?
Senior guys are more willing to throw the junior guys under the bus to keep their pay and benefits or even to get more. I guess it’s just a matter of when you’ve gotten high enough up that ladder you can pretty much tell when you’re in the clear that it’s not you who’s on the chopping block list any longer.
When you were the Junior guy would you have been willing to go out for maybe a few years to come back to a higher paying job later? How many years would you have been ok with being out?
You’re forgetting the unions were more than happy to follow that path. In the end, ALL members benefitted senior and junior alike. But this notion you have of trying to save every unborn puppy in the pound so your tombstone can say at least you died trying is useless.
This is going to go on for years and at the end we will wind up with what is on the table or worse. Im not saying accept it, but that’s the probability.
I’m calling for a boycott of association AMT celebration, until we get to vote on representation!!!!!!!
Right. last AMT day, I saw the facilities maintenance people eating all the food like it was the Last Supper!
I think the union can go take a flying leap! The AMT day is in recognition my trade. I feel the company at least recognizing my professionalism! Eat the food and take the free tools.
And they also took my nice shiny new snap-on ratchet! And before that my ratcheting screwdriver!
He's trying hard to make them look good. Your right it wasn't the IAM's decision to strike, it was the co.'s injunction thru the legal system that finally got them locked out.
So, have any of you heard of any hints on when this asso is going to send a rebuttal over to the co's side? Over 2 weeks and still not a peep from the asso.
Oh but believe me, they will indeed come and ask for all your support so they can go back to the table and demand what they want to demand.
I really don't see the mechanics passing this current offer due to scope, health and 401K-retirement. Why in the world is this asso. being so quiet? How do they expect to get support when they call for it. Pathetic...