Aircraft maint issues

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by conehead777, Feb 15, 2017.

  1. 1AA

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    Let's say nothing is happening. Let's say the injunction holds and a fine is initiated. The company has leveraged a big advantage in negotiations over something that does not affect them but they will get what they want from the association through the membership. CONCESSIONS!
    The company was unable to get scope, outsourcing and other concessions from the negotiations process including mediated negotiations. So now this little trick if successful will force the association to think about giving in on all the articles the company has been trying to get or pay a hefty fine. We will see when the judge returns with his decision or if we are lucky he may recommend getting our butts back to negotiations. In my opinion I see the company holding all the cards if the judge rules in favor of AA.
     
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  2. NYer

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    Little trick? Hardly.

    If nothing is happening, the case isn't happening.

    They have statements from this very forum that draws a line from the comments and postings, by Association Representatives, all the way to the statistical analysis of disruptions and also substantiates some of the independent statements they've received directly from mechanics.

    Let's not try to save failed and misguided actions as a supposition nothing is happening to then lay blame to eventual JCBA shortcomings on a Judge or other targets.

    If the injunction is declared then we drove that bus straight into the wall. It wasn't anyone else, it was us, as an Association.
     
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  3. 1AA

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    Statements on this forum are not sworn testimony and are he said, she said. Going on peoples opinions on this forum sounds like nonsense. I'm sure they must have more creditable things to go on.
    Samuelsons big mouth at the townhall meeting is more creditable. They have a face to go with the threats and he is in a leadership position. The company is throwing everything out there. They will let the dysfunctional association sort it out and the judge will decide.
     
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  4. 1AA

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    Your right about the Bus comment. That's Samuelsons mind set. Buses and trains. o_O
     
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  5. NYer

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    But it goes together. The Association and Representatives go around and say things that have other meanings.

    How do you show they have other meanings? By including conversations on how something is happening and the use of the "code words" taken from Association postings and recordings. You don't need sworn statements because you're just establishing something is happening and how the information shared by Association was interpreted.

    Keep saying, this isn't a jury trial. It's a bench trial with the Judge making the decision. The evidentiary threshold is much lower.
     
  6. 1986Mekanic

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    Trying to understand why I should care if the union gets hit with an injunction...
     
  7. swamt

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    You will found out at a later date after the union enforces a union dues for the added cost of ANY induced cost after all this is said and done. Watch and learn. Your union has been doing it for decades...
     
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  8. 1AA

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    Just got word this morning the judge has decided to let the union fine its members if we violate the TRO. I don't have any info yet. It was just released this morning. Any links please post. Thanks.
     
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  9. NYer

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    It's little more than that.

    Union officials, the heavy hitters, will have to go to the Line stations and tell the midnight guys to return to normal operations. Those in attendance will have to sign a letter stating they understand the TRO.

    They'll have to have the same meetings with Local Representatives.

    They'll need to advise everyone that any further disruptions could lead to fines or disciplinary actions.

    ... And they'll need to do that with AA management present. :eek:
     
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    "In its filing submitted Wednesday, American said it considered filing a motion for contempt. But, it said its main objective is to stop the slowdown, not seek damages from the unions. American said it reserves the right to seek contempt sanctions if the alleged slowdown continues".


    https://www.bizjournals.com/dallas/news/2019/07/10/american-airlines-mechanics-slowdown.html
     
  11. swamt

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    As far as the fining of members, what about this posting by Vort.? Does it not apply to fining the members? Or does this ONLY cover if the asso. get sued by the company they just can't pass along the asso's fines to the members?? Here's his post:


    Well, the company probably doesn't give a damn, even though I don't recall saying that.
    On another subject, you have been suggesting that the Association could pass on the judges fines to the membership. Out of curiosity I looked it up, and it turns out we cannot be fined. Read the last few lines of the last paragraph. This is right out of the Taft - Hartley Act.

    TITLE III [Title 29, Chapter 7, Subchapter IV, United States Code] suits by and against labor organizations Sec. 301. [Sec. 185.] (a) [Venue, amount, and citizenship] Suits for violation of contracts between an employer and a labor organization representing employees in an industry affecting commerce as defined in this Act [chapter], or between any such labor organization, may be brought in any district court of the United States having jurisdiction of the parties, without respect to the amount in controversy or without regard to the citizenship of the parties. (b) [Responsibility for acts of agent; entity for purposes of suit; enforcement of money judgments] Any labor organization which represents employees in an industry affecting commerce as defined in this Act [chapter] and any employer whose activities affect commerce as defined in this Act [chapter] shall be bound by the acts of its agents. Any such labor organization may sue or be sued as an entity and in behalf of the employees whom it represents in the courts of the United States. Any money judgment against a labor organization in a district court of the United States shall be enforceable only against the organization as an entity and against its assets, and shall not be enforceable against any individual member or his assets.
     
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  12. B737 driver

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    Same thing happened at SWA during our operation emergency. The company had the copy of the lawsuit. The ALRs started at MDW with management, then went all the other maintenance stations, ask Swampy. Then next thing you know we had a contract to vote on.
     
  13. NYer

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    It's a predictable process. Amazing how unions continue to walk through that trap door.
     
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  14. Rogallo

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    Stupid.jpg
     
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  15. dfw gen

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    Yes,yes,yes i have had enough...
     
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