Aircraft maint issues
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La Li Lu Le Lo
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I am glad to see people getting fed up with taking less to save jobs, only to see job loss anyway.
You will only ever lose agreeing to work for less. Remember that.
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In the end do we have a choice on jobs over pay and benefits? Do we have a choice on anything anymore between the NMB and the Association calling all the shots? What's next? The IAMPF forced upon us?
La Li Lu Le Lo
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Not really. That is what socialism is really all about though. Turning over control of your future and accepting what your given. That is the price you pay to have UNION representation.
You either accept what your given as part of the collective or you try to do better negotiating for yourself.
You can't have it both ways.
Good to see the rumor mill is still alive and kicking!! I'm still thinking after Labor day for a jobs. In the mean time look for the company to crank up the fear machine!
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You either explained the TWU or Industrial unionism. We need a more direct focus on our group. Unfortunately we have the association dealing with seven groups at once. The one that brings in more dues gets the most attention. I've seen this before in my 31 plus years with AA under the TWU.
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1AA I have a question to ask of you.
Why is it the mechanics are so hell bent on a UNION that represents ONLY A&P mechanics?
Would it not be better to have a UNION of ONLY American Airlines employees across all title groups?
I mean honestly, is it being mixed with other title groups or having a multi employer UNION with an international you can't control that is the real problem?
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Because we have different issues then other groups. The largest group fleet service since there the biggest due paying members by size gets the best offer. We on the other hand get a half days pay on first sick day per occurrence none of the 6 groups have that they get full pay. In the bk contract we lost a week of vacations stores got and extra. See we need people negotiating for us who will go to bat for us the AMT not 6 other groups, each title groups have there own issues.but ours are different then most being licensed taking responsibility for the airplanes. We need a union that understands this not a union who says bread cost the same for every body I worked hard as most amts to get my license and I want a union who is going to get us the best contract and the twu and other industrial union do not fight for AMTS and they never will .
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Coneheads post #985 beat me to your answer. If one has to ask why AMT'S and related need their own representation then either one has not been around long enough or has not been paying attention to our needs. Why do the pilots have their own representation at AA? Why do the Flight Attendants have their own representation at AA? We have different responsibilities and liabilities that have serious consiquences. Similar to the pilots. Industrial unions have no business representing AMT'S. AMT'S have always been the smaller group. We generate an enormous amount of dues money but yet less than fleet service. We need our own representation. We need our negotiators to focus on our needs. When you have union presidents at the International level who don't work for AA or never worked as an AMT, that's a serious problem. Unfortunately they don't see it as a problem because they only see $$$$$$.
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I worked at TULE for 12 years. I assure you I have been around long enough.
You should have seen the appalled look on my face when a mechanic first told me they only got half pay when using a sick day. The fact 2 employees working for the same company under the same UNION have 2 different time and attendance rules, and skilled labor has the inferior version is really all the proof you need to demonstrate your point.
You made your point and you made it well.
I only have this to ask.
Are you sure having a UNION made up of only American Airlines employees is not a practical solution?
If that is your stance I disagree but I accept that from your perspective that may not be viable for what you want to accomplish. Though I think most mechanics don't really even know what that is exactly. They have complaints sure but no real outline of their expectation, goals, or means of implementation.
I know many of you support AMFA but I just don't think that is the answer. I don't see how yet another multiple employer UNION won't bring many of the same problems you are facing now.
Not doubting your post Buck, but, I don't believe it until I see it. Just as with our co. announcing the same to us. Oh they may very well make a contract offer on the 22nd. If they do it will be too pathetic for the nego team to bring out. Just because there is a contract offer (which SWA gave to us verbally a long time ago) doesn't mean it will be anything to vote on. But a great rumor to start...
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Simple answer is no. Same outcome but at a smaller level. Amt's will still be outnumbered and generate less financial interest to address our issues.
We have a AA pilots union. We have a AA flight attendants union. Maybe a AA amt union. Doubt it will work. Too many splinter groups the NMB just added. Class and craft non afl-cio is the only way.
This question always bugs the **** out of me when asked. Why is it no one questions why pilots have their own representation as do F/A's as do Flight Dispatchers. We have issues and concerns that other groups do not have it is not about being elitist which is another word thrown around when we A@P's wanna go our own way. Was thrown around plenty when we went AMFA at NW. We hold an FAA certificate and can be held accountable in an incident or accident for repairs or work we do and there are plenty of crashes in history caused by maintenance errors to back that up. The NMB has us classified as maintenance and " related" This is why we were forced to take the cleaners when we broke off from the iam and our little local pretty much full time was handling grievances from the cleaner group and their petty BS. Our AMT pay when I was at NW was pretty close to ramp pay under the IAM the entire time I was there our license premium was 70 cents a license. The very first AMFA contract once the ink was dry was a 13 dollar an hour raise and more than double the pension multiplier if that doesn't prove that the industrial union was keeping us down nothing will. Personally my feeling is until the NMB has the A@P reclassified as it's own separate class and craft and also falling under the rules of the railway labor act it just isn't worth being in a union as an A@P. I am at FX our license premium is for both A@P is over 20 dollars an hour and we are do not have to deal with any other groups and their issues.
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