American Airlines and Labor Negotiations
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WeAAsles
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Give Bob a break. He needs to get about 10 more years or so under his belt and then he’ll know the difference between a good deal and a bad deal. (But he’ll still be selfish as hell)
WeAAsles
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A bunch of people told him and I even broke it all down for him. So if he can’t figure it out by now or he’s just playing games, don’t waste your time.
Tim Nelson
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Corporate almost always will say "we want to eliminate work but nobody will lose their job". However, that is code for displacements. Reduced headcount is also inferred with buyouts. But no, I never heard Parker or any ceo say he was going to whack jobs even though pink slips flowed after the "no layoff guarantees".
Less work = Less Jobs. Thats the proven equation.
Tim Nelson
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look, stay out of my conversations, we were not talking to you. You have already admitted that your intent is only to get these pages shut down so info flow will be limited. Nobody got under my skin, some dude lied out of his arse and told tpa and sju that their stations were guaranteed to stay open. I pm a fella in tpa and a fella in sju explaining, even on my cell with the TPA guy, and afterwards they both understood that what I explained was accurate and although neither said a bad word about that angelo guy who blew smoke up their arse, they thanked me for spending the time.
NYer
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There is a misconception by some that believe the TWU annual departures number somehow includes LUS flights as part of the count.
Tim Nelson
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Jester
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I prefer not to believe DP, especially as it comes to furloughs and closures, because I saw him in-person during a town hall meeting when another asked him a straight forward question regarding lay-offs, and DP told the individual there would be no layoffs. Few weeks later huge layoffs happened in the location in question. He has no upside to announce furloughs or base closures as it would cause a panic and harm negotiations.
robbedagain
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Everything from A to Z n in the middle. Tell u what bob. Since ur part mgmt they cut u loose how wld u feel?
no doubt and i'm fairly sure the assoc. is aware...maybe more so about their lus insurance. what they can say in public and in private about wages are two different things?
again, it's not 1949 and i'm not sure what a 2018 union can do to show it's unhappiness towards a stingy company?
bottom line...delta took it's jet fuel windfall and shared it with it's employees and shareholders (dividends).
aa took it's jet fuel windfall and shared it with shareholders (buy backs).
going forward, until further notice...dl will continue to share with it's employees while aa is getting even more stingier towards it's 'team' members.
after the merger, not sure what fsc costs the company yearly in wages/benefits? maybe $800-$950 million a year? maybe someone from the assoc. can tell us?
the company just announced a fresh $2 billion buyback to expire in 2020. $1 billion a year.
in lieu of pathetic PS, if the company threw $75 million more per year in enhancements, maybe we'd get a contract and we wouldn't be posting here anymore? $375 million over a 5 year deal.
as of last year, southwest's labor costs took up 34% of their revenues, while aa's was only 28% - and aa's revenues are a lot more than southwest's.
majority non-union delta spent 32% of it's revenues on labor costs.
the labor costs percentages show just how stingy the world's largest airline is towards it's employees.
Tim Nelson
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+1
Sad how a so called union leader in LGA supports DP and told his pupil in tpa and sju to believe DP. The dope gave out my personal information to harass me and I guess I could go to HR but that is anti union like our friend here.
At any rate, his pupils are converted and part of our information network of clear thinkers now.
bob@las-AA
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Just pointing out the obvious, WeAAsles. If fuel cost rise to higher levels, the union can’t keep saying the company is making record profits if those profits are greatly affected by fuel costs. And nowhere did I say I would vote in favor of a supposed offer. I do, however believe strongly that we as members have a right to see whatever is on the table in its entirety! The cat’s already out of the bag so the union should let the membership see for themselves what is so bad about this contract. Just because I want to see the details does not mean I would vote yes based on the few snippets I’ve seen!
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