American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

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  1. Tim Nelson

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    This is even worse than the United agreement.
    The iam put in a cinderella date that lifts all scope 2 years after the ammendable date. They did this with the alaska ramp, and then all rampers got contracted out.
    Doesnt matter with the iam because of their arrangement with the iam to dump these jobs to the iam anyways at McGee Air Services.
     
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  2. Kev3188

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    Tim--

    I actually agree with all of that as well. Some unions (and labor leaders) have figured out how to operate/thrive in the 21st century, while others have not.
     
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  3. swamt

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    You have a valid point. In our case we sent in all new faces on the unions side except for 2 regulars. On the co. side they changed their entire team except for 2 then one of them was removed as well, and I even think the final one was also removed but not positive. So basically all new co side NC and more than 50% new union NC. Then of course the Newest arrival on the co. side NC, Mr. Kinder with full power to get er done and he did.
    On a short note: I think you are correct, maybe some new fresh faces would help move things along, it worked in our case, but changes on both sides.
     
  4. swamt

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    NO! They don't know weezal. You know why?? Because this membership is left in the dark all the time with no real info from the asso. with updates about nego!!! Geez...
     
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  5. V.O. Reason

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    I don’t agree having this association has created having too many different voices and opinions negotiating the contracts with a single union a lot of those issues would not exist and we would have had an agreement a year ago
     
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  6. swamt

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    Those forces are the IAM side of this two sided fiasco asso. representing you guys.
     
  7. WeAAsles

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    What particular issues do you feel wouldn’t have existed?
     
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  8. Bin Stretcher

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    So, you're saying the NC should not have attempted to gain the best of each contract..... bargain for and try to maximize wages, work rules and benefits to the betterment of us all?
    What should have been done in your opinion?
     
  9. WeAAsles

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    AFTER TWO YEAR FIGHT, LOCAL 525 MEMBERS RATIFY CONTRACT BY 80%
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    TWU members picketed outside Kennedy Space Center on July 27, 2019 for a fair contract for Local 525. A contract was ratified on June 16, 2019.

    After spending nearly 2.5 years at the negotiating table, Local 525 members ratified a new contract with an 80 percent vote on June 16.

    Local 525 members are firefighters at Kennedy Space Center and bargain with the Chenega Corporation. In case any sort of fire or emergency happens to NASA, they are on call.

    In March 2018, Chenega imposed their “best and final offer” to the membership, which was a huge slap in the face. Their proposal included:

    • Massive Overtime cuts
    • 401K Losses
    • Minimal wage increase
    • Non-paid rest periods – and
    • Removed 100% sick leave
    “Local 525 members put their lives on the line every day and we absolutely could not accept this miserly deal,” said TWU Air Division Director Mike Mayes. “It’s disgraceful to offer a firefighter a contract that doesn’t include any sick days.”

    Solidarity was a huge part of the contract fight. In July 2018, hundreds of TWU members from across the country picketed outside the Kennedy Space Center, demanding a fair contract for Local 525. The picket line went on for three quarters of a mile and lasted for hours – even in the scorching temperatures.

    Mediation
    In 2018, the TWU filed a lawsuit against Chenega for not paying overtime as required by the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA).

    On June 11, 2019, the TWU and Chenega met in federal mediation and began the process of trying to find a resolution to the lawsuit.

    Local 525 President Kevin Smith explained that Chenega was motivated to settle the lawsuit and come to a contract agreement because NASA was poised to remove them from their property and replace them with a new contractor. At the same time, the union was also pressed to find common ground due to the fact that the next contract “could” include a “Wage Determination” for the Department of Labor, which could result in wage and benefit cuts.

    Big Wins
    That very same day, on June 11, the lawsuit was settled via mediation late into the evening with $1.375 million in back-wages for all overtime illegally removed.

    The three-year contract includes:

    • Returned sick leave (all but one day)
    • Restoration of all overtime going forward
    • “Time-Trades” allowing more time off for employees
    • The return of two terminated employees
    • Agreed to a 401k Matching program (5% Matching)
    • Wage Increases
      • 4%
      • 4%
      • 3%
    “This is another big win for the TWU,” Mayes said. “It proves that you can never cave into a company’s demands – workers should always prevail.”

    “We didn’t get 100 percent of what these first responders deserve, but we’ve returned the majority of the vital benefits the company stole from us and secured a three-year contract for the membership,” Smith said. “Now we’re are going to focus on providing the first-class service we’ve always given at Kennedy Space Center.”
     
  10. WeAAsles

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    American Airlines Management so far has only been offering wage increases of 2% per year on a 5 year deal.

    2020: 2%
    2021: 2%
    2022: 2%
    2023: 2%
    2024: 2%

    No industry look-back or wage adjustment if any competitors pull ahead.
     
  11. robbedagain

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    Good enought to reject that based on that alone if we were to vote on it
     
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  12. swamt

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    2 points here; 1- It really does affect the outcome when you figure in WHO you are dealing with. ALK still has good (better than SWA does) relationships with their employees and unions. A huge difference when only looking at how long it took them to get to adeal.
    2- Clerical? Office?? Just more reasons for the mechanics at AA to get out of this pathetic asso. They just represent too many "other" groups. Not enough focus on the mechanics with this type of representation.
    3- Only 5K represented at ALK. Over, what is it, 35K represented at AA under nego's? A huge factor and differences.
     
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  13. swamt

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    Sorry Bin, but I have to disagree here. Having 2 very different unions with 2 very different rules and seniority integration and time credit in different classifications.
    Now I agree with how the co is dragging things out, however, when there is so much interfighting and changing of who is in control and neither side wanting to change the way their contract rules are worked within their contract is a huge factor in getting a deal done sooner. I have said this from day one when they announced the merger and the asso. being merged as well into this asso. And they have consistently proved this point several times already. Too many big heads trying to run an asso. the way they have been used to for over 40 years on both sides. It's just a roller coaster nightmare, back and forth, 2 steps backwards and then 2 more steps backwards.
    At a minimum there should have been a vote for either the IAM or the TWU. If one union was representing there would be no interfighting, disagreements in the way it will be ran and rules, as the prevailing unions rules would have ruled the roost period. Remember how long it took a third party to decide the seniority integration and the long pause in the contract nego's waiting for that to get ironed out? A perfect example of WHY it should be one union representing...
     
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  14. V.O. Reason

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    Trying to find the best of both contracts or even incorporating parts of each other’s that one side didn’t like, IE the higher insurance or the the pension issue. These two issues are the prime reason this whole process has been messed up from the time it became a part of the discussions
     
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  15. WeAAsles

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    That’s incorrect. The “prime” issue has to do with outsourcing work in all areas of Association representation. Shrinking back our numbers in total by a few thousand over time.

    If you go back and look at the Association videos SCOPE is the primary focus of those explanations.

    Let me ask though. As an IAM Member are you ok with your Medical going up to 21% and there being no mechanisms in place to audit the Company’s cost projections and having no caps on what they “claim” to be their costs?

    Are you on a Single Medical Plan? (No wife or children)
     
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