American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

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  1. WeAAsles

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    BTW even without the formation of the Association the TWU would have been required to service the IAM Contracts and by the TWU Constitution would have had to hold elections to chose Locals and Local Officers for the new cities that the TWU would be representing.

    The Officers who would have been voted in would be former IAM Representatives likely and would have had a keen awareness to their current IAM agreements and would have defended keeping the language and philosophies they were accustomed to. So they would have made the argument for their survival in JCBA’s.

    Actually if the TWU had taken representation of the whole it may have been even more difficult to reach consensus with the Company as we would be dealing with LUS Management and not LAA, and LUS Management I’m sure would argue more for the IAM Language philosophy against the stronger TWU work rules.

    In some areas it may have been a little easier but in other areas I think it would have been much harder IMO.
     
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  2. Tim Nelson

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    Wrong! The scope in the company proposal is not only stronger but it offers station, status, and system protection. Neither contract has that currently.
    The association proposal actually proposed the exact same protection, including force majeure outs, but wanted to expand it to transfers as well, which would be nice but its not happening.
    And the union wants to expand membership and dues by refusing to move until the company includes 20 more stations or 2500 more dues payers.
    All the TAs are solid. bigtime enhanced but the unions tantrums for 20 more stations is sad, especially when they offered 25% less pay to the company to gain the extra stations.
    Obviously, you sir, are pro union and anti worker.
     
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  3. WeAAsles

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    #19308 WeAAsles, Jun 19, 2019
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    Didn’t you claim that I was silenced? Anyway I am about to jump off of here again. Shall I continue to expect you all to be talking about me obsessively just begging me to come back and pay attention to you all?

    BTW there is no “System Protection” Look again. If the Company offered System Protection then you could also call that “Transfer Protection” as well.

    And I thought a long time ago you said you wanted us to open up more cites?

    I think you’ve become Anti Worker now. Members want to work in those Cities.

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  4. Tim Nelson

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    you were quaranteened like the others until the attorneys told your handlers the talking points.
    Sure id want more stations but i also want 7 weeks of vacation. Not going to happen so get over it. Your handlers are just dumb and have no understanding. They will lose the trial as well.
    Nobody will b negotiating for years unless your handlers learn. Hopefully the mx votes the assoc out soon.
     
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  5. WeAAsles

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    Oh that’s what happened then. Ok. Hey Tim can you tell me what my title is with the Union and how they’re paying me?

    I mean I really sometimes wish I was what you think I am. Maybe I wouldn’t have to get in the back belly 5 days a week and sweat myself out to exhaustion sometimes.

    Anyway listen seriously. Do you mind if I take off now? This place is boring as hell I know but you guys are really ridiculously obsessed with me and as flattering as it is it’s also kind of out there man.

    Take care of yourself ok.

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  6. V.O. Reason

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    Ok yes outsourcing future employees again something that has been beat to death by many on here as to why are they worried about future employees. Oh right it’s called dues.
    So no I’m not concerned about future members.
    As far as the insurance cost going up 21 percent is the max it would increase there are ways to make it lower based on which plans you choose.
    As far as I’m concerned that’s just basic part of life learning to live within a budget.
    We deal with increased cost all the time, my home owners insurance for instance or car insurance. Go up all the time.
    I just have to manage it and my property taxes go up.
    I would love finding an equatable solution to this issue but if it’s going to continue to cost me and others the benefits of higher pay and other benefits that are out there than I’m willing to pay the increase cost of the insurance
     
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  7. WeAAsles

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    Fair enough. I can’t use the line on you that some people in the past fought to make sure you had a spot to come into since the IAM only organized you guys in 1995 and you hired in way before that.

    Now to some of course it’s about Dues. But there are some of us morons out there that are supportive of the ideology. I can’t speak for the people in your Union but I would like to hope at least some of them have that honorable ideology in their bones?

    Again though forget the 21%. It’s not exactly about that as much as it is not having the ability to audit or Cap the costs. If you don’t have either of them they can put your wages in one pocket and take it back out of the other through Medical expenses.

    BTW are you in a City that does Catering? You ok with those guys losing their work? You don’t do a lot of OT I hope?
     
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  8. WeAAsles

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    BTW just a pure complete guess on my part but if the Company got all the Scope changes they’re asking for in every group my again “GUESS” is a shrinkage of around 4000 to 5000 job positions?

    31,000 - 4,000 = 27,000.

    Again this is just a guess. I’d LOVE to hear what the Company thinks as far as Association numbers in the next 4 to 5 years if we accepted their Scope asks?
     
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    No no catering here but have worked catering in the past, but frankly I never felt catering should be fleet work. Just my opinion
    I think instead of focusing on keeping those positions I think it would be better to try and gain a few more cities than under the current IAM scope but nothing like the insane 20 the Ass wants.
    5 would be reasonable, and focus on our core work which is handling ground work and even try and gain charter work with not only us but from other carriers.
    The loss in numbers seems high to me but anytime you merge two companies together your always going to have job attrition due to overlaps in personnel .
    However over the past year I’ve been seeing hiring still going on in fleet so I guess if we got the deal you don’t want that’s just going to dry up.
    I rather doubt it
     
  10. Tim Nelson

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    you always take off after your fairy tales are proved wrong. I advised you to quit lying and that your kind will cause a restraining order and then a fine, but you kept saying that peterson knew what he was doing. As soon as you were found out, you bailed out on this board. Now you are getting spanked on here for destroying our talks so you claim you are bored. Leave then and if the unions arent paying you then that may mean that the company is.
     
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  11. Tim Nelson

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    maybe for mx but fleet numbers will expand by 2,000 with the company offer.
    Not a guess, just looking at the math.
     
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  12. WeAAsles

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    Actually I work in a city that would likely not be effected by any Scope changes. We don’t have Catering here or Deicing. And if they took some off the top through the buyout I might even move up some? Not crazy about the Crew Chief language the Company wants though. Philosophically in the TWU we don’t take well to listening to Management.

    As far as doing any Horse trading for things I don’t know why people are missing this. The Company has shown no indication of coming off what they want. They’ve stated what they’re offering and what they want and that’s been it since.

    But why is asking for more Stations insane? Why is asking for anything insane? I think it’s insane the amount of money these Airlines are making. BTW the Agents have about 20 more cities than us. Why shouldn’t we be in the same cities they’re in? (Stop listening to Tim)

    And the Company is hiring for two reasons. They have more planes and with that comes more work and they also need to get people in and trained before they let more costly employees go. That only makes normal sense.

    And I can tell you that DFW absolutely wouldn’t tell you they have enough staff. They’re drowning in work over there and the operation is crumbling.
     
  13. Tim Nelson

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    asking for 20 more stations isnt insane but holding firm and stopping progress is insane when there is no way the company will hand over 60 2 total stations.
    There is little doubt that we can perhaps get iah and rsw since they are large stations but nothing will happen weez until the rhetoric stops and the union moves.
    Whats the alternative? Just insisting on 20 additional stations and calling the company the bad guy? How is that working out? Is there a magic wand that you will waive for the company to grow a heart?
     
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  14. Mr Eagle

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    PHX MX is a NO VOTE. :)
     
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  15. robbedagain

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    If the company's proposal were to go in effect the general consensus at dca is that everyone from 10 yrs or less would be gone. Everyone else wld be stuck where we are at. Is that similar to other cities?
     
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