American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Buck, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. wings396

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    I will say it again, if the company wants to outsource catering, give us cargo in those stations. The LAA side keeps cargo and most of the deicing work, and LUS loses catering period. Can't believe that everyone can't clearly see the issue with that.
     
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  2. V.O. Reason

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    Yes, cargo is a revenue source where as catering is not.
    Seems reasonable to me
     
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  3. V.O. Reason

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    I’ve heard this argument for years, omg we can never move or move up. BS The airline is a huge moving part there will always be opportunities for all, maybe not what everyone wants but for most.
    In my time with the company I’ve moved 3 times and not one time was I forced to do so. It was always my choice and I moved where I wanted
     
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  4. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Are you serious?

    If working people realize they need UNIONs as much today as yesterday then why are UNION memberships on a steady decline?

    How can you say with a straight face that people realize they need UNIONs as much today as yesterday when even the people that already have them express discontent?

    I find most people are, in fact, very anti UNION. At least where I live.

    Most people here support Right to Work. The philosophy being if a UNION is effective people will support it. UNIONs here cannot simply collect money from the workers as a condition of employment (outside of the RLA that is). I happen to agree with that philosophy. After all I put my application in at American Airlines not the TWU.

    That being said American Airlines provides good paying jobs and good benefits to employees with no or minimal educational requirements. I would say that reflects TWU effectiveness. That being said pay and benefits in the airline industry (not just American Airlines) has been in decline for a long time. Employees have lost a lot of buying power. I attribute this to the UNIONs at the legacy airlines supporting high headcount over maintaining pay and benefits. They basically settled for less for those they represent in exchange for more members to draw dues from. I don't see how any person that takes pride in their occupation would find that acceptable. That in my opinion was the beginning of the end for UNIONs. That is when they lost their way, when the membership succumbed to maintaining high headcount over compensation as a result of UNION fear campaigns.

    Adapting to the culture by embracing technology is not going to fix a UNION accepting less for the people they represent to maximize dues. Only the memberships refusal to succumb to propaganda and fear tactics will do that. Frankly, I don't see that happening any time soon. That is why I am so disenfranchised with UNIONs. I agree with the philosophy of a UNION but not the modern implementation.

    I think many people feel as I do and that is why you see so many people on this forum so unhappy with the Association.
     
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  5. V.O. Reason

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    Perhaps one of the most well written responses I’ve seen on this forum, and we are still seeing the headcount issue take precedence in this negotiation from the association
     
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  6. iluvaa

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    This association proves unions don’t give one **** about the people they represent only there own bottom line
     
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  7. Tim Nelson

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    That is the general consensus although that is wrong. Fleet service is very dumb and is in panic mode over the company protections, which are incredible. The station and status protection protects everyone in DCA. That said, I think it may be better to scrap the protections and add them to wages and benefits since most fleet service don't know how to read and it just causes confusion. Status protection doesn't help me as I have tons of seniority but the junior people don't know how to read and don't want the protections, so why bother with them? Scrap the protections because many fleet service don't understand protections, including you, don't know how to read. Just forget about the protections and put those millions into us high seniority pockets. More vacation, more wage, we want it all. If the junior people don't want protections, give the extra millions to us!
     
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  8. 737823

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    Why should anyone care about the plight of catering? In the 2005 LUS concessions that 700 boasts about him and Roabilly agreed catering jobs could have been absorbed on the ramp yet they threw small stations out for a privileged few to keep their cushy jobs at CLT with lots of downtime between flights. The catering classification obviously was a-okay throwing small stations out.

    Josh
     
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  9. bigjets

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    Not a huge surprise, LUS already enjoys a contract that legacy airline mechs already enjoy except for LAA.

    The joys of being represented by 2 unions where those unions already gave up the biggest bargaining chip we had, cross utilization. So we actually have an A scale and a B scale. Not to mention AA put us on the back burners while they deal with APA and APFA for another contract.
     
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  10. bigjets

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    Well said.
     
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  11. P. REZ

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    LOL,


    http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...s_hold_steady_despite_public_employee_strikes

    https://splinternews.com/this-just-in-people-love-unions-1828714176

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/majority-of-americans-support-labor-unions-as-fewer-belong-to-one/
     
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  12. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Are you guys seeing this?

    Tim don't you get tired or trampling around these forums in clown shoes and a red nose?

    I mean F me... how perfect is your timing?

    Not only is he playing his part as a cog in the fear machine, but he is attempting to shame and condition people into compliance.

    Here is your modern UNION at work ladies and gentlemen.
     
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  13. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Don't you find it odd that every single link you posted leads to a story based off of polls instead of hard verifiable facts?

    Let that sink in.

    I have stated many times I do not put any credence in news stories based on polls.

    I have seen too many instances where conditions were manipulated to produce targeted results.

    It amazes me how many people accept polls as a statistical fact without verifying how the information was accumulated.

    If you want to base your beliefs on the result of polls spoon fed to you by the media then be my guest but don't present them to me as irrefutable proof because from my point of view the only thing it proves is you blindly accept information.
     
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  14. bigjets

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    Polls are great just ask President Hillary Clinton

    https://www.autonews.com/manufacturing/vw-workers-tenn-plant-reject-second-uaw-organizing-bid
     
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  15. P. REZ

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    Lol,

    Polls always have an error range of +-3 to 5%. Still favor Unions factoring that into the equation. Lol
     

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