American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Buck, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. V.O. Reason

    V.O. Reason Senior

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    Pilots have more leverage and clout then any group.
    So yeah they can do that.
    Fleet and maint don’t have that luxury
     
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  2. Phoenix757767

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    Pilots nor FAs got snap backs.
     
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  3. CremaDiLimone

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    if i was the big-shot at the table, i'd make a stand on this.

    company has made a stand(s) on insurance and some scope.

    a PEB recommended full retro and interest for ua AMTs in the mid 2000s...despite ua crying about it's finances after 9-11.

    aa has earned $20+ billion in the past 5 years?

    sorry, have to make a stand on this.
     
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  4. V.O. Reason

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    Yep and if they keep making those stands the longer this goes.
    Like years longer and the company just keeps making money and laughs at us.
    We loose more and more and if they can get a PEB there is no guarantee you win it
    Then are total losses are way more than the retro.
    Sorry don’t want to wait for that but then again we have no choice because we don’t have a voice but are just pawns in this stupid game
     
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  5. CremaDiLimone

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    so, the longer this goes?

    what about the next one? no retro now, the company can drag it's feet for years the next time..and the assoc. would have been a facilitator for that by bending over now.

    the BOD won't tip their hand and weaken the company's side by saying parker has to get this done, has 2 more quarters to do so...

    but, you know there is some turmoil. the media has picked up the moaning and groaning from investment banks. i'd tell parker that i can wait, can you? from industry-leading to fair and equitable/comparable to ultra-stinginess.
     
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  6. swamt

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    But Retro can happen. It will be up to the membership. I do agree with you that this asso. is not capable of full retro, but the membership is. They need to get fully united and demand full retro. Make it a top priority and yes, Retro can happen. If the membership and/or this asso. let's retro pass them by it will pass you guys by everytime in the future nego's...
     
  7. swamt

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    I agree to a point. Yes Pilots do have more leverage. However, the mechanics could have the same as the Pilots if they were in their own union with no other additional groups or titles riding their backs.
     
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  8. swamt

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    It really does come down to who wins the waiting game. In our case, we did. We were willing to wait as long as it took to get what we deserved. Full retro, decent raises on each year and not skipping any years, industry average bonuses, article 2 scope left the same, and added vac options, time off, etc... One item we could not get increased was the 401K match. That is hard to get increased when we already have the industry leading 401K by 4-5%.
    It did suk waiting 6.5 years, but we had to in order to get made whole. And we all say well worth winning the waiting game. If the membership really wanted to get the full retro they could if they were united enough just as we did. Our co. was fighting our demand of full retro all the way to the final 5 days of nego's when Kinder came in and got it done. Even paid 15 million over full retro. Doesn't sound like a lot, but when divided by the small amount of mechs we have (compared to the other airlines) that 15 million overpay comes to an average of over 6-7K for each mechanic. Not bad for a little padding huh?
     
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  9. dfw gen

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    just do like doug. put in as little as possible and take as much as you can.
     
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  10. 1AA

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    In all honesty who really cares about this stuff? I mean come on let us worry about our situation that is currently going on.
     
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  11. V.O. Reason

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    Well you were dealing with just one union, we are not.
    I would love retro but this is likely my last contract so no I don’t want to wait another two years so screw that
     
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  12. 1AA

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    Not as much as before.
    Envoy and AE are taking many mainline legs from AA crews.
    Wake up folks.
     
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  13. Talos

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    You have a good point about big money not being happy with Parker and Isom. From what I've heard Isom walked back on some verbal agreements. Might have something to do with the court ruling, but you already have a work force that has watched mgmt devastate the operation and lose credibility. Waiting is something we are all used to. DFW is starting more changes tomorrow and it looks to be an epic failure. It's like mgmt doesn't know how to run an airline. They do know how to get paid and buy back stock.
     
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  14. dfw gen

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    the Executive Committee is considering next steps and an appropriate response.

    still waiting for the next steps and or the appropriate response.....
     
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  15. dfw gen

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    And the association is afraid to tell us?
     
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