American Airlines and Labor Negotiations

Discussion in 'American Airlines' started by Buck, Mar 19, 2018.

  1. Tim Nelson

    Tim Nelson Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,140
    Likes Received:
    4,782
    Due to the MBA (McCaskill Bond Act), The TWU would have tried to negotiate with the IAM to maybe give us 1 year for every 7 years. That was their position against the IAM members at AirTran. I remember the TWU guy (forget his name) came to our offices when I was still there and he thought Delaney would approve this racist TWU proposal. Racist against LUS blood. Delaney was cordial but we laughed our arsses off after he left.

    At the end of the day, the case went to arbitration and imputed 2 less years for AirTran employees, except those who stayed in ATL got full credit.

    You are correct, Josh, but in this situation, the TWU would have stapled all LUS to the bottom since it wouldn't have been subject to the MBA. The MBA is only triggered when there is not a representational dispute triggered. Without the Association, the IAM would have triggered one.
     
  2. 737823

    737823 Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2010
    Messages:
    6,584
    Likes Received:
    3,314
    Tim,
    You know I’ve never supported the association particularly since it is intended to be a dues grab and results in less accountability. The fact that a member in say MCO who moves to FLL may be subject to a new constitution, all new union leadership, etc is outrageous. What happened to “one Union one voice”?

    I think especially since DL gave PMNW full DOH, it would have been difficult for the IAM to do much different. Remember the rude awakening the East pilots had from the Nicolau award? I think if anything the PMNW people going to DL, a large, better capitalized, premier global carrier absolutely hit the lotto coming from a scrappy Midwest carrier with a few token international routes.

    At this juncture the negotiators need to show some leadership. I mean seriously the other work groups are already preparing for section 6 while you all are waiting for a JCBA after giving away significant leverage with the interim wage increase.

    Josh
     
  3. Buck

    Buck Veteran
    Contributor

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Messages:
    7,017
    Likes Received:
    1,518
    Traditionally at American, the larger of the two unions would absorb the smaller.
    Then if both parties are unionized they would use Dovetail. Of course, it did not go that way this time.
     
  4. Tim Nelson

    Tim Nelson Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,140
    Likes Received:
    4,782
    The negotiators will have to cough up the remaining mx scope grabs that the company wants. Otherwise, the company is fine with the continued millions of dollar savings of the twu bankrupt contract.
    Fleet is and has been finished other than the association could give more in fleet to take less in mx.
    This is what pisses me off.
    Not sure what PMNW is (norhwest?)
     
  5. WeAAsles

    WeAAsles Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    20,108
    Likes Received:
    5,204
    Didn’t you say MONTHS ago that you were going to post a PDF of that last offer?

    Fleet is not finished even if you go all over the Internet trying to tell everyone that it is.
     
  6. CremaDiLimone

    CremaDiLimone Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,045
    Likes Received:
    79
    maybe..

    how are you doing with oil prices and leverage??
     
  7. WeAAsles

    WeAAsles Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    20,108
    Likes Received:
    5,204

    Goldman Sachs slashes 2019 oil price forecast amid oversupply concerns
    Sam Meredith | @smeredith19
    Published 1 Hour AgoCNBC.com
    • The investment bank now expects international benchmark Brent crude to average $62.50 a barrel this year, down from a previous forecast of $70.
    • Meanwhile, U.S. West Texas Intermediate (WTI) is expected to average $55.50 in 2019, down from a prior estimate of $64.50, the investment bank said in a research note published Sunday.


    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cn...shes-2019-forecast-amid-oversupply-fears.html
     
  8. CremaDiLimone

    CremaDiLimone Veteran

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2016
    Messages:
    1,045
    Likes Received:
    79
    did goldman also say that the twu would demand lus get 1 year new aa seniority for every 7 years of iam lus seniority?

    the friendly twu that said, "let's share this together"??

    it's a merger. the iam could have thrown monkey wrenches into the works if it believed the twu would decimate lus, just like the twu allowed the twa acquisition to occur with twa losing (or most of it) it's twa seniority when competing with twu in most cities.

    twa was weeks away from liquidating.

    the guy that says we should be grateful for $1,000 profit sharing checks, while delta guys may get 16% of 2018's wages.

    is he angling for a corporate job, hoping that parker reads this forum and jetnet comments?
     
  9. cltrat

    cltrat Veteran

    Joined:
    Aug 29, 2007
    Messages:
    5,105
    Likes Received:
    3,026
    He should be that damn profit sharing for us is nothing more than a bad joke
     
  10. Kev3188

    Kev3188 Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2003
    Messages:
    17,155
    Likes Received:
    9,227
    Correct.

    PMNW= Pre-merger Northwest.
     
  11. dfw gen

    dfw gen Veteran

    Joined:
    Dec 1, 2011
    Messages:
    2,128
    Likes Received:
    2,267
    There will not be a contract untill one of two things happen.
    1 the iam's reptesentation is threatned by a card drive. Which wont happen because the twu cant start a card drive since they represent us already. So the next best thing is serve sito lunch exery day. And our current leadership sued them to become them. Hypocrites, swear noone is happy with the association, but very content to exist in it.
    2 the mediators declare an impasse the company imposes its last best offer, we say thank you and the iam saves face blames the nmb. The twu continues to serve sito lunch.
     
  12. WeAAsles

    WeAAsles Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 20, 2007
    Messages:
    20,108
    Likes Received:
    5,204
    Actually in Maintenance and Related it’s the IAM who is being held hostage to the TWU Scope since you view it that way. You have way more work than they have.

    You don’t think the IAM wouldn’t just LOVE to have all that extra AMT and Title 2 dues money flowing into their coffers?
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
  13. ALUS78

    ALUS78 Veteran

    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2018
    Messages:
    2,262
    Likes Received:
    140
    They get bumping rights?Or go where there are openings if no opening then bump the junior person in the craft where ever he might be
     
  14. Tim Nelson

    Tim Nelson Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,140
    Likes Received:
    4,782
    The only remaining leverage is with the company. The company, as well as delta management, is able to replenish things from prior times, due to the economy.
    If the economy fizzles, and Peterson doesnt set hus ego aside, the company may reduce the offer.
    But the union already blew its leverage and is powerless now.

    I mean, there is absolutely nothing the union can do since it it bit on the cheese and is now stuck in a trap. No way out.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
  15. Tim Nelson

    Tim Nelson Veteran

    Joined:
    Jan 5, 2003
    Messages:
    10,140
    Likes Received:
    4,782
    Bingo. Winner.
    Unfortunately, Weez may very well have to wait a couple more years and then sito will bring out the same Last Best offer of today. Unless the economy goes south like the liberals and racist are right that the economy is collapsing. If the economy collapses then we may have to do additional surveys about pay or benefit cuts.
     

Share This Page



Search tags for this page

airlines update mail