American Airlines Submits Application to DOT to Serve Tokyo Haneda from Dallas & LA

Through DFW, American’s customers will have one-stop service from Haneda to important international business hubs such as London, Paris, Madrid and Frankfurt in Europe
 
I wonder what they're smoking when that say things like this.  
 
HND-MAD as the crow flies: 6705 NM
HND-MAD via AA's super-convenient connecting service in DFW:  11,427 NM
 
That's 4722 NM out of your way.  I am sure that busy business people will jump right on that.
 
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Will the airlines be able to keep the evening slots? Could AA add flights to HND from other US cities with evening arrivals/ departures from HND?
 
jcw said:
Will the airlines be able to keep the evening slots? Could AA add flights to HND from other US cities with evening arrivals/ departures from HND?
Where would you suggest?  ORD, perhaps?  If Japan Airlines or All Nippon have no non-stop to HND from ORD, there must be a reason.  A brief browse of Travelocity shows that ORD to HND on any airline requires at least one stop (and change of planes)--either SFO, LAX, or JFK .  That does not suggest much O&D traffic that we could capture with a non-stop.  I remember reading somewhere that over 20% of all potential customers for U.S to Tokyo comes out of the immediate LAX area.  One thing we don't want or need are routes established for "the glory of being the only".
 
As far as SFO or JFK to HND, not only is there competition on those routes, but we have codeshare agreements and/or joint venture agreements with airlines that serve those airports where we get a cut of the action without actually having to put metal in the air.
 
Let's not forget that one of the main problems with evening arrivals into HND is (IIRC) lack of transportation from the airport into the city at the arrival times we were given.  They aren't really "evening" arrivals, they are middle of the night arrivals--0100, 0200 and the like.
 
jcw said:
Will the airlines be able to keep the evening slots? Could AA add flights to HND from other US cities with evening arrivals/ departures from HND?
No, the four current overnight awards and slots will be replaced by five new daytime awards plus one new overnight award, for a total of six flights. That will happen about one year from now, in time for the 2017 summer season.
 
jimntx said:
Where would you suggest?  ORD, perhaps?  If Japan Airlines or All Nippon have no non-stop to HND from ORD, there must be a reason.  A brief browse of Travelocity shows that ORD to HND on any airline requires at least one stop (and change of planes)--either SFO, LAX, or JFK .  That does not suggest much O&D traffic that we could capture with a non-stop.  I remember reading somewhere that over 20% of all potential customers for U.S to Tokyo comes out of the immediate LAX area.  One thing we don't want or need are routes established for "the glory of being the only".
 
As far as SFO or JFK to HND, not only is there competition on those routes, but we have codeshare agreements and/or joint venture agreements with airlines that serve those airports where we get a cut of the action without actually having to put metal in the air.
 
Let's not forget that one of the main problems with evening arrivals into HND is (IIRC) lack of transportation from the airport into the city at the arrival times we were given.  They aren't really "evening" arrivals, they are middle of the night arrivals--0100, 0200 and the like.
Currently, the Japanese carriers have two flights each, and they are restricted to the same overnight hours as the US airlines.

Both fly to HNL and JAL chose SFO while NH chose LAX. Neither is flying to ORD probably for the same reason that DL's DTW flight and AA's JFK flight were not viable - the overnight operating restrictions. The overnight hours barely worked for the Pacific time zone, but were completely unworkable for the Eastern and Central time zones.

ORD actually has more than 3 times the Tokyo O&D as does DFW, so I assume that JAL has signaled that maybe it might start ORD so that AA could start DFW if it wins the award.
 
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