AMFA Organizing Drive to Replace Association
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Just an example of how better contract language can work ...
https://www.ssmplaw.com/amfa-amfa-d...irlines-invocation-of-force-majeure-rejected/
https://www.ssmplaw.com/amfa-amfa-d...irlines-invocation-of-force-majeure-rejected/
I don't think either TWU or IAM can win as an independant, the asso can only win if they get the majority of votes. With this from the NMB it says their certs are distinguished as of 5-19-15.
Edit: My bad mis typed, should have said extinguished not distinguished.
http://www.amfa-aa.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/Decertified-TWU-IAM_front-page-1.jpg
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Indeed. And it will get tested again with our "expedited arbitration" cases at SWA. It will be the first time ever had to fight for the members to be furloughed or laid off. We all are praying for another prevail by AMFA over their contract language.
http://www.amfanational.org/?zone=/...le.cfm&HomeID=840127&page=Southwest20Airlines
Here's an update from AMFA National.
They list that AA sent in 13,213 on eligibility list. Wondering how many are added to that list that are not eligible? AA wouldn't do something like that now would they??
Also note the update states that the NMB will take the next "several" months to verify list and sigs samples, then will open it up for challenges from both the asso. and AMFA. You guys might be lucky to have a vote in the first quarter of 2021 huh???
December 10, 2020
Dear American Airlines Mechanics & Related Employees:
We wanted to reach out and give you an update following AMFA’s filing for a representation dispute on your behalf with the National Mediation Board (NMB) for the American Airlines (AA) Mechanic and Related workgroups. As previously outlined in our last update, “We have filed with the NMB” dated November 13, 2020. We have been assigned both an NMB Case No. R-7557 and NMB Investigator Josie G.M. Bautista. On Friday December 4, 2020, American Airlines’ Vice President of Labor Relations, Lucrecia D. Guia, provided to the NMB a list containing 13,213 potential eligible voters and signature samples for each employee on their list, and Investigator Bautista acknowledged this submission of American Airlines Inc Potential Eligible Voters list in correspondence on December 8, 2020.
Over the next several months, Investigator Bautista will conduct an investigation validating the authenticity of your overwhelming number of signed authorization cards by comparison with the Company’s signature samples provided to the NMB. Investigator Bautista will also assess the sufficiency of the number of authorization card signers of the Mechanics and Related Employees Craft or Class to ensure that a majority of the group sought an election for union representation. Finally, when a determination of a majority of interest occurs, Investigator Bautista will schedule the opportunity for the parties to make challenges and objections to the proposed eligibility list submitted by AA. After that, we expect the Investigator will schedule the election and distribute voting instructions to eligible voters to determine the representative of the Mechanics and Related Employees at AA, which will be conducted by telephone and on the internet.
Again, we would like to express our utmost appreciation to all who have participated in the grassroots efforts in collecting Authorization for Representation cards from the professionals that fall under the Craft or Class of Mechanics and Related Employees in your Title I, Title II, and Title IV workgroups: Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT), Maintenance Controllers Technicians (MCT), Overhaul Support Mechanic (OSM), GSEAutomotive Technicians (GSE), Aircraft Machinists, Aircraft Welders, Facility Maintenance Technicians (FMT) Aircraft Cleaners, Aircraft Platers, Parts Washers, Aircraft Planners, QA Auditors, and Tech Doc Specialists. We encourage you to stay informed with the facts and continue your vigilance against the propaganda and smear campaign attempts by the IAM/TWU Association.
We expect that the IAM/TWU Association will make every attempt to prevent this election by any means necessary, including inflating the eligibility list submitted by the Company. Efforts and attempts to prevent you from exercising your lawful and democratic right to vote in your collective and personal best interests will not succeed. Understand, that we have filed more than enough signed Authorization for Representation cards with the NMB to cover the Company’s submitted number of 13,213 potential eligible voters.
Additionally, we assure you that we will only present fact-based information about AMFA and our track record, so you can make an informed decision prior to your vote with the NMB.
If you need more information, or you have a pressing matter, please call our offices at 303-752-2632.
In Solidarity,
Gene Painter
Assistant National Director
They list that AA sent in 13,213 on eligibility list. Wondering how many are added to that list that are not eligible? AA wouldn't do something like that now would they??
Also note the update states that the NMB will take the next "several" months to verify list and sigs samples, then will open it up for challenges from both the asso. and AMFA. You guys might be lucky to have a vote in the first quarter of 2021 huh???
December 10, 2020
Dear American Airlines Mechanics & Related Employees:
We wanted to reach out and give you an update following AMFA’s filing for a representation dispute on your behalf with the National Mediation Board (NMB) for the American Airlines (AA) Mechanic and Related workgroups. As previously outlined in our last update, “We have filed with the NMB” dated November 13, 2020. We have been assigned both an NMB Case No. R-7557 and NMB Investigator Josie G.M. Bautista. On Friday December 4, 2020, American Airlines’ Vice President of Labor Relations, Lucrecia D. Guia, provided to the NMB a list containing 13,213 potential eligible voters and signature samples for each employee on their list, and Investigator Bautista acknowledged this submission of American Airlines Inc Potential Eligible Voters list in correspondence on December 8, 2020.
Over the next several months, Investigator Bautista will conduct an investigation validating the authenticity of your overwhelming number of signed authorization cards by comparison with the Company’s signature samples provided to the NMB. Investigator Bautista will also assess the sufficiency of the number of authorization card signers of the Mechanics and Related Employees Craft or Class to ensure that a majority of the group sought an election for union representation. Finally, when a determination of a majority of interest occurs, Investigator Bautista will schedule the opportunity for the parties to make challenges and objections to the proposed eligibility list submitted by AA. After that, we expect the Investigator will schedule the election and distribute voting instructions to eligible voters to determine the representative of the Mechanics and Related Employees at AA, which will be conducted by telephone and on the internet.
Again, we would like to express our utmost appreciation to all who have participated in the grassroots efforts in collecting Authorization for Representation cards from the professionals that fall under the Craft or Class of Mechanics and Related Employees in your Title I, Title II, and Title IV workgroups: Aircraft Maintenance Technicians (AMT), Maintenance Controllers Technicians (MCT), Overhaul Support Mechanic (OSM), GSEAutomotive Technicians (GSE), Aircraft Machinists, Aircraft Welders, Facility Maintenance Technicians (FMT) Aircraft Cleaners, Aircraft Platers, Parts Washers, Aircraft Planners, QA Auditors, and Tech Doc Specialists. We encourage you to stay informed with the facts and continue your vigilance against the propaganda and smear campaign attempts by the IAM/TWU Association.
We expect that the IAM/TWU Association will make every attempt to prevent this election by any means necessary, including inflating the eligibility list submitted by the Company. Efforts and attempts to prevent you from exercising your lawful and democratic right to vote in your collective and personal best interests will not succeed. Understand, that we have filed more than enough signed Authorization for Representation cards with the NMB to cover the Company’s submitted number of 13,213 potential eligible voters.
Additionally, we assure you that we will only present fact-based information about AMFA and our track record, so you can make an informed decision prior to your vote with the NMB.
If you need more information, or you have a pressing matter, please call our offices at 303-752-2632.
In Solidarity,
Gene Painter
Assistant National Director
So very soon after bashing AMFA and claiming they have more power than AMFA in Washington these latest events have taken place with AMFA in Washington and the Secretary of Transportation. A huge step for our Class and Craft in the industry.
Congrats to Justin Madden. And once again the Senate and House reaches out to AMFA for representing the Mechanic Class and Craft for airline technicians. just more and more to think about while making a choice when the vote comes. AMFA is WAY more active within our gov affairs representing the Class and Craft of the Aircraft Maintenance Technicians than any other union, period. It is the union called upon by The Secretary of Transportation when dealing with aviation maint, outsourcing, safety, inspections, training, schooling and any and all aspects pertaining to the Mechanics in the airline industry.
I leave you with the latest two events all in the first week of Dec. 2020.
Click on the Read More link to read the full news releases:
Press Release: Secretary of Transportation Appoints Aircraft Maintenance Technician to Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee
December 8, 2020 -- The Aircraft Mechanics Fraternal Association (AMFA) applauds Secretary of Transportation Elaine L. Chao for her decision to appoint an aircraft maintenance technician (AMT) to the Aviation Rulemaking Advisory Committee (ARAC). AMFA Executive Director of Government Affairs and Southwest Airlines AMT Justin Madden’s appointment to the ARAC fills a critical void in the Committee’s membership.
Read More
The Promoting Aviation Regulations for Technical Training (PARTT) 147 Act — Industry Support Letter
December 7, 2020 -- The undersigned organizations, representing a broad cross-section of the aviation community, strongly urge your support of the PARTT 147 Act (S.3043/H.R.5427). The bill would mandate Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) regulatory reform of aviation technician education, empower innovative curriculum development, and reinforce a workforce pipeline that will be vital to a strong, post-pandemic recovery.
Download:
20201207_PARTT147Act-IndustrySupportLtr.pdfRead More
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The number from AA is 13,213. From my sources we have filed more than enough cards. Now comes the Association with their arguments to include more people.
Typical during a filing. Hopefully we will get a vote come January or February.
Typical during a filing. Hopefully we will get a vote come January or February.
Just an observational question here.
On the NMB's website it say approx. 12,821 mechanic and related. In AMFA National's update they mention 13,213. Approx. 392 in difference. Anyone know why? I remember Tulsa recently hired new mechanics for the tulsa location at approx 400, could this difference in the numbers be those almost 400 individuals?? Just curious.
Yes 1AA, I too have been told there shouldn't be a problem going forward, however, the NMB still needs to do their due diligence and their job of verifying and confirming before calling for the election. Also, AMFA National and the Organizers are so much more better prepared this time around they are ready and even expecting for the TWU/IAM/Asso to add names to the list that will have to get challenged (pad the list). AMFA Organizers as well as AMFA National is primed and ready to challenge any or all added/padded list additions.
I just hope the mechanic and related at AA are ready to better represent their class and craft. If they don't vote for change this time around they deserve everything that comes to them. i know that sounds harsh but it's 100% true. if they don't fire this pathetic TWU/IAM/Asso. this time they deserve everything this asso brings onto them, just like all the crap that's been forced upon them in the past, concessions, job losses, rifs, as well as the asso forced on them with no vote. It will just keep continuing like it has for the past decades upon decades, time to move on to better representation.
Yea, this time they were not tipped off by the asso. and teamsters to quickly send in the list. This time around the NMB had to notify AA that they received a package of representational election cards for AMFA and that AA needed to send in the eligibility and sigs samples. The NMB set a deadline of Nov. 30 and AA of course went past that deadline up to Dec. 8. Question is why so long? Did AA get with the asso. and pad the list sent in?? I don't think so as no one has really spoken up about over inflated numbers on the list sent in by AA. Now we all expect the asso to add as many as they can get by with, it's the only thing they have left to fight with, as you stated, the corruption way is how they will deal with it. A last ditch effort to save their a$$es from being fired from representing their final mechanic and related airline mechanic group they represent.
If you want to truly want to see how screwed up it is to have two unions. Ask the same question to an IAM rep and then same to a TWU rep. You won’t get the same answer.
Just look at this vacation pick we just went through, not only did the 7800 TWU mechs have to do vacation picks the 2300 mechs IAM way but the pick was done differently at each station. Now that’s strength in confusion.
We have 10000 mechs and the association has done a great job in dividing us.
Just look at this vacation pick we just went through, not only did the 7800 TWU mechs have to do vacation picks the 2300 mechs IAM way but the pick was done differently at each station. Now that’s strength in confusion.
We have 10000 mechs and the association has done a great job in dividing us.
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DUKE787; Here's a question you can ask both the TWU/IAM reps, How is it going to make you feel when we Kick your A$$ to the curb.
It may seem that the TWU is bowing to the IAM, maybe it's payback for how the TWU treated the TWA guys. 4-10-01 & 25% instead of just going by occupational seniority and just dovetail like they did this time. Remember AA went BK, NOT USAirways.
Company policies, procedures, and the M&R contract seems to favor the IAM/USAir side, remember AA went BK Not USAirways.
All of what is going on just Proves that the switch from this ASSociation to AMFA going forward is the right decision for the M&R class & Craft.
Duke don't let what is going on inside this ASSociation cause a rift between the IAM side and the TWU side, both are in this together to remove this ASSociation as the bargaining unit for M&R.
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Oh please, TWA was on it's last legs. They were on the verge of liquidation and everybody knew it. Had they by some miracle survived a few more months Sept 11th would have most certainly finished them off. Those guys hit the lottery. AA could have just waited for them to liquidate and picked what they wanted for pennies on the dollar. Instead the TWA employees who remained all got huge raises and better employment security. Let's not forget TWA was an acquisition of an almost defunct airline not a merger. AA got very little out of the deal besides worn out aluminum, and debt.
I say that having worked with a bunch of ex TWA at TULE. They were fine people but let's get real here.
US Airways August 11, 2002 March 31, 2003
US Airways September 12, 2004 September 27, 2005 Second filing, emerges in conjunction with its acquisition by America West
US Airways hardly has a clean bankruptcy record. Remember AA filed bankruptcy with 4 BILLION dollars in the bank. They were not in any financial trouble. It was a tactic the company used to force concessions and acquire new aircraft. If you actually think US Airways somehow saved American Airlines you are deluding yourself.
Also remember who's name is on the aircraft.
US Airways is that ugly girl who got asked to the dance because there was literally no one else available.They were the last one to be picked for teams.
This is my favorite part of your whole post.
Do as I say not as I do aye AMFAinMIAMI?
Seems to me YOU are the one causing a rift with your asinine TWA comments.
Did you even work with any TWA guys? I worked with a hell of a lot of them. 4/10 was a sore spot but most of them knew how lucky they were to even have a job at all after Icahn got done with them. Karabu Corp FTW.
Pretty sure he was referring to the last filing of AA, not the double whammy two around the 03-04 time.
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