APFA National Officers Election

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Will you re-elect APFA President John Ward, APFA Secretary Linda Lanning and APFA Treasurer Juan Joh

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  1. LiveInAHotel

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    How can anyone vote to re-elect these fools who sold the APFA membership out to AA? Remember they violated our APFA Constitution by not allowing us 30 days to ratify the concessions (they gave us 15 days). They extended the vote an extra 24 hours after we voted NO on the concessions. Both violate the APFA Constitution!

    APFA Vice President Jeff Bott, is not running for re-election.



    Rock Solomon for APFA President!
     
  2. L1011Ret

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    And if you want more reasons, read the testimony of J. Ward and the AA Dir Labor Relations in the TWA F/As attempt to get an injunction.
     
  3. s80dude

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    The resolution allowing APFA to shorten the balloting period (1A, on 3/19) was actually presented by Jeff Bott and seconded by Liz Mallon. You can blame Ward for the ballot extension at the end, but remember it was Jeff Bott and the yellow bellied BOD that wanted the balloting shortened.
     
  4. Skyyggoddess

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    Additionally, APFA lawyers (not Patt Gibbs) warned that shortening the balloting time could bring on legal action by the membership. This advice was ignored.
     
  5. s80dude

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    I know the upcoming national officer vote is important, but as far as i am concerned, we need to clean house with the BOD and soon! I want strong leadership from TOP to BOTTOM!
     
  6. jimntx

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    Yeah, but remember the base chairs constitute the BOD, and most run unopposed. I talked at length one day with the JFK base chair. She says that she has wanted to give up the chair position for several years, but can't get anyone to run for the office.

    A lot of f/a's like to complain, but very few are willing to step up and run for office. As I am on furlough, I don't have access to the secure areas of the airport--like Ops--where most of the campaigning takes place.
     
  7. L1011Ret

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    However you want to see it, J Ward and crew have brought on a flurry of lawsuits and divided the membership into polarized camps. It would appear that some union positions are thought of as lifetime employment. You really need some new leadership.
     
  8. MiAAmi

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    Make sure to know who your voting for. Sometimes the Devil you know is better than the devils you don't know. Rumor has it some canidates have stated that they support some sort of integration of TWA f/a seniority. PROTECT YOUR SENIORITY!!!!!!
     
  9. TransWorldONE

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    . PROTECT YOUR SENIORITY!!!!!! ....or bankrupt yourself trying :up:
     
  10. MiAAmi

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    Better to bankrupt the union than to have any seniority loss. I would be willing to give more in union dues to fight for seniority.
     
  11. woztwa

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    :lol: Spoken like a true "unionist"-NOT. You'd be on the streets without a union and you are close to it now if you align with the Devil. Glad you are out for #ONE!
    Typical.....
     
  12. skivoodoo

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    You're falling into Ward's trap if you make this election about TWA. This same scare tactic was used during the cram down and you're falling for it again. How easy you forget! :huh: You really are an easy target for Ward. TWA will be handled in the court system, not by this election.

    This election needs to be about cleaning house. Those currently holding office at APFA are corrupt. They have placed APFA and the AA F/A on the bottom of the labor list with concern to our share of the pie at AA. We are seen as an easy target because of Ward. He needs to go-PERIOD. And all of his cronies too!
     
  13. L1011Ret

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    I have to second that. It is unlikely that there will be a re-visit to the seniority issue unless the whole BOD approves. That is unlikely until the court case moves along or unless the membership made a large issue out of it. Making the seniority issue the central issue is just playing into J. Ward's game plan of using fear and anxiety to get himself re-elected.
    There are many other issues that are crying for solution including several suits by nAAtive F/As. That the issues that are really important to getting a better union are covered up or obsecured by the issue of TWA F/A seniority is just a way of maintaing the status quo in the leadership department.
     
  14. chisprings

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    Are there any websites for TWA APFA candidates? Based on their entire platform, I would be willing to vote for them. I believe they know what true unionism is all about. I will not let arguments over seniority influence my decision. APFA needs radical change - it needs to stop being the base of all this greediness I got mine screw everyone else attitude. AMR has abused us for years and then we turn around and abuse fellow F/A's - shameful. So if there are any TW sites - please post them.

    ChiSprings - nAAtive ORD
     
  15. L1011Ret

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    I will check chisprings, but I do not think so at the moment. They have their own board on myfamily and nAAtive F/As have theirs on 4m. It is unfortunate APFA closed their website because there was a lot of dialogue between the two groups there.
     
  16. MiAAmi

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    I never endorsed anyone. I only stated to know who your voting for.
     
  17. Bob Owens

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    I thought the mechanics were rough on each other over this senoirity thing!
     
  18. chisprings

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    Thanks 1011. The APFA BB was shut down as a cost-savings measure. I think legal costs were the issue. The lack of dialouge between the two groups is disheartening. The 4m is hardly related to F/A issues anymore and is simply some ultra-left wing liberal discussion group and anti-TWA f/a discussion group. I did find Nancy McGuire's email on the 4m and have sent a personal email to her asking for the information.

    thanks ChiSprings

    p.s. TW 1011's were the Cadillac's of the sky!! I miss the rotating beacons.
     
  19. silverbirdFLL

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    J.W is counting on the "no one voting" factor to get reelected. The "no one voting factor" is what got him elected in the first place. As of now my only sure thing is that I WILL BE VOTING. As for the canadates,it's still too early X-CEPT for the JOHN WARD SLATE!!! That is a big FAT NO!! Juan Johnson is the only one I'd even consider of the lot. As for the "T-was" I can only state a knowledge of Nancy McGuires(sp) backround and experiance from my prior corrispondance w/her from the old APFA BB. She has my vote.
    Listen nAAtive f/a's if you truely believe that it's the BOD that has control then having a "T-was" f/a on the EC only ADD's to not de-trAAckes from mix. Even if a total "T-was" slate was voted in to office the SIA would/could not just disappear. Remember it's the BOD who has CONTROL and the membership would ultimately have the final say on the matter.
    Let's for ONCE think OUTSIDE the box and consider ALL our options. This is one vote that WOUN'T be taken AAway from us.
    Knowlage is power. So learn all you can about each and everyone who is running for office. Consider each position seperately. Do NOT feel you have to vote for a "SLATE". Evaluate each individule and the position they are running for as "ONE" in the same. If you feel that an administraion made up of "free" thinkers and "individule" ideas is what WE need these next four years then VOTE for "individules" not "slates". Just VOTE!!!!!
    Peace
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  20. jimntx

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    The following are not "TW" sites, per se. However, former TWA employees are free to join and post. All are found at Yahoo Groups.

    AAfurloughed - moderated by "AJ" Jensen (furloughed AA f/a)
    APFAboard - moderated by TJ Norris (30+year AA flight attendant and licensed attorney)
    apfaELECTIONS - also moderated by TJ

    Nancy McGuire, former TWA, who is running for APFA secretary posts frequently on APFAboard.

    On apfaELECTIONS, TJ is allowing any candidate to post. She is also providing links to any known election-related websites.

    (AAfurloughed is limited to flight attendants, but I know they don't have to be furloughed to join.)
     

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