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- Dec 5, 2003
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and what DL has given ALL DL employees is more mainline capacity growth than AA or UA. WN is turning up the wick on capacity growth now but they weren't ahead of DL for a couple years.
The PWA doesn't give DL or ALPA credit for what they do ABOVE the minimums... all it does is set minimums below which either side is out of line.
The pension issue is a red herring because it doesn't exist.
I am not saying that DL should be allowed to violate the PWA. that is as pro-labor as it can get.
I have said and you can't accept that the PWA is not measuring the right thing if DL can add as much capacity including to Asia and Latin America but it doesn't get counted because they like you are focused on ARN while excluding GRU or PVG.
you can pound your fist on the table and yell "damn them" all you want but I can assure you that it won't change that the company will do what is in the interest of the company and find plenty of ways to ensure the DL pilots win in the process - and win more than their peers at AA and UA do.
and lest we forget what this discussion is about, AZ is in the JV for at least a few more years unless Etihad manages to give DL something to get out.
and given that DL is larger than AZ in the summer but that flips in the winter based on genuine business reasons, DALPA had best figure out how to build a measurement system that reflects the realty that DL becomes far larger in the summer when Americans flock to Europe but will shrink along with every other TATL carrier in the winter when the strong dollar makes European's trips to the US unaffordable. No company including DL is going to operates flights across the Atlantic to satisfy a PWA and lose tens of millions of dollars per month in the process. DL will redeploy those assets elsewhere.
and if you want to talk about what is not in the contract and a couple percent difference in pension funding, let's not forget that DL pilots and the rest of DL's workforce have all received 16% plus of their 2014 salaries in profit sharing and that number is expected to grow this year.
There is no minimum set for profit sharing and yet the profit sharing contribution by the company is now the 2nd largest compensation expense for many DL employees.
There is no DL employees that expected they would receive 16% plus of their annual salary in profit sharing and certainly no one at ALPA.
When you want to argue about a small variance in JV flying that resulted SOLELY because AZ was added to the JV and not because DL reduced its own capacity, it won't take long for the company to remind the pilots and ALPA how much DL has paid out in profit sharing - far in excess of that JV violation and benefitting far more employees.
before you and ALPA go throwing around those violations, you might want to consider the whole package and now DL employees including pilots have seen far better improvements in one category of compnesation and job growth over the last few years than their peers at other airlines.
The PWA doesn't give DL or ALPA credit for what they do ABOVE the minimums... all it does is set minimums below which either side is out of line.
The pension issue is a red herring because it doesn't exist.
I am not saying that DL should be allowed to violate the PWA. that is as pro-labor as it can get.
I have said and you can't accept that the PWA is not measuring the right thing if DL can add as much capacity including to Asia and Latin America but it doesn't get counted because they like you are focused on ARN while excluding GRU or PVG.
you can pound your fist on the table and yell "damn them" all you want but I can assure you that it won't change that the company will do what is in the interest of the company and find plenty of ways to ensure the DL pilots win in the process - and win more than their peers at AA and UA do.
and lest we forget what this discussion is about, AZ is in the JV for at least a few more years unless Etihad manages to give DL something to get out.
and given that DL is larger than AZ in the summer but that flips in the winter based on genuine business reasons, DALPA had best figure out how to build a measurement system that reflects the realty that DL becomes far larger in the summer when Americans flock to Europe but will shrink along with every other TATL carrier in the winter when the strong dollar makes European's trips to the US unaffordable. No company including DL is going to operates flights across the Atlantic to satisfy a PWA and lose tens of millions of dollars per month in the process. DL will redeploy those assets elsewhere.
and if you want to talk about what is not in the contract and a couple percent difference in pension funding, let's not forget that DL pilots and the rest of DL's workforce have all received 16% plus of their 2014 salaries in profit sharing and that number is expected to grow this year.
There is no minimum set for profit sharing and yet the profit sharing contribution by the company is now the 2nd largest compensation expense for many DL employees.
There is no DL employees that expected they would receive 16% plus of their annual salary in profit sharing and certainly no one at ALPA.
When you want to argue about a small variance in JV flying that resulted SOLELY because AZ was added to the JV and not because DL reduced its own capacity, it won't take long for the company to remind the pilots and ALPA how much DL has paid out in profit sharing - far in excess of that JV violation and benefitting far more employees.
before you and ALPA go throwing around those violations, you might want to consider the whole package and now DL employees including pilots have seen far better improvements in one category of compnesation and job growth over the last few years than their peers at other airlines.
