Boeing 787 work being moved in house after failed Outsourcing

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  1. PA28-180

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    http://airnation.net...lding-utah-787/

    This adds to the cost of the 787's failed outsourcing model.Boeing had so many problem's with current contractor's they decided not to risk delays of new models.
     
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    If you are going to outsource at this kind of level of production you need 100% oversight. To do so it may not be cost affective especially if you run into serious issues that will slow down or temporarily stop production. Boeing needs to get back to the glory days of building 100% of the aircraft in the USA.

    If you want a Boeing product then build it here and sell it worldwide.
    Same goes for Airbus. Build it in Europe and sell it worldwide.
    Building components for the systems in other countries is not the issue.
    Building the structural sections and flying them back to one location for final assembly is.
     
  5. chris perry

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    The 787 was first announced ten years ago this month, and has cost Boeing more than $30 billion to develop according to the Seattle Times. Boeing has admitted they may never make money on the 787,but the technology will benefit future Aircraft.
     
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    Don't forget the A380 development cost came to ~$17B, using slightly less cutting edge technology. the 380 also had its own groundings, and still has an issue with cracked wing spars to deal with.
     
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    Sounds like the 'Dreamliner' NEEDS to be UNION built in Everett Washington instead of by those DICK-HEADS in 'good-ol'-boy' SC. !!!!!!!!!!!
     
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    As I recall (and I said it was a damned-fool thing to do at the time), Boeing, in the hopes of garnering sales in-effect combined their R&D, prototyping, first article production, and scattered it all of the world with so little oversight they were getting shipments of parts with no clue they weren't to spec. Educated idiots trying to follow a BS vision re: a "Global Economy" bit the company square in its ass.

    Now - the question of the day - did Boeing REALLY learn anything or are they simply trying to keep their stock price afloat?
     
  9. 700UW

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    Most of the 787s are built in WA, not SC.
     
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    Built or assembled?
     
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    Two years ago?
     
  13. 777 fixer

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    The date is not relavant.
     
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    http://www.forbes.com/sites/petercohan/2013/01/21/why-787-dreamliner-battery-woes-are-the-tip-of-boeings-iceberg/

    Failed out sourcing model.
     
  15. 777 fixer

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    One thing Airbus was smart enough not to do was not contract out work on the A380 they had traditionally done. Boeing would have nearly as many problems as they have had if they done the same.
     
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    Boeing has only been manufacturing planes for about 80 years so I will trust their judgement over a message board.

    The SC plant was a smart business decision for the health of the entire company. On so many levels. Union, non-union and managers.

    Outsourcing production cemented relationships with other nations too. Nations that buy the planes. Note: Airbus now building a 320 plant in Alabama.

    The lithium ion batteries are the problem. I know these things. They are a problem on airplanes. This board should be cheering on Boeing to engineering a solution (good ole USA know-how, eh?) for these batteries that will benefit us all.

    Why? Because every personal electronic device is powered by these devilish little power sources. You know hot hot your cell phone gets in your hand. Imagine how much heat a 66 pound lithium ion battery generates....

    Outsourced/insourced, union/non-union --- I don't care. First one to fix the problem is my hero!
     
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    Looking like they are a problem everywhere.

    Looking like a Green fed bridge too far?

    http://washingtonexa...53#.UP9ZVfJLqSo
     
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    Lithium Ion batteries are but a small problem. For anyone to call them thee problem is obviously putting their head in the sand and ignoring the facts. Fact, Boeing lost quality control over the production of the 787. Not only did they award contracts to companies that could not deliever they gave away core technology, i.e the wing. Current Boeing management has admitted that they went to far in their rush to outsource. Whatever money they might have saved they have spent twice that in trying to fix the problems.

    http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2011/02/04/2014130646.pdf
     
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    Do you know why they even have that facility? Becasue they had to buy out Vought, the original owner of it, becasue they could not deliver the product that they said they did. Now Boeing has doulbed down by duplicating something they already have in Everett.
     

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