By all means show a post where I've ever written that. Anyone'll do. Take your time. Working for change at any company is difficult. Working toward it at a place where groupthink rules, and dissenting opinion is seen as a threat is an even tougher climb. That's an excellent rationalization. Go with it. Based on his track record, he doesn't like dirty work. He prefers playing the good cop. The pilots *negotiated* a 13% raise right off the bat, with multiple 3% ones in subsequent years. They also got a huge boost to their 401k's. Every other group got 4% (if TOS), or 2%, and zero change to their 401k. That's right; I don't. Or an F/A, or an AMT, etc. Not the point. You repeatedly post about raises being doled out, and like to paint this idea of us all rolling around in piles of cash. I'm merely pointing out the value of negotiating vs. begging. You're numbers guy, so I figured you'd understand that. Simply not true- all the more so if total compensation is the metric used. Using the 1/13 TOS base rate for an FA (PMNW), they will make all of .76/more per hour than they did 7 years ago. While technically a larger sum of money, it's hardly the brilliant post-BK recovery you so enjoy talking about, and that does't even touch on things like increased insurance rates, short crew pay, monthly guarantees, and so on that directly affect one's bottom line. At the end of the day, I think you want to tell a good news story about Ma DL. That's nice, but I'm guessing that people posting inconvenient truths that run counter to that narrative is what you find really vexing. Like I said earlier; nice to see the real WT shine through, though.