Delta Air Lines to Leave Trade Association in April 2016

[WorldTraveler]

Pan Am ran a horrible business and they couldn't maintain airplanes. You did see their 310s didn't you?

 

[Kev3188]

 
It's more like DL found out that A4A was a democracy, and wasn't able to simply get their way on everything because Richard sayeth so...

Now, instead of spending $5M a year for A4A to do the lobbying on their behalf, DL will spend at least that much trying to do their own lobbying, and it's probably not going to work out any better for them as a single entity.

But hey, other airlines have tried to go it alone. Braniff v1.0 did. Worked out well for them in the end.
 

Welcome to the dark side. Just ignore and move on.

All of this.

...and again, Icarus flies just a bit closer to the sun...

 

[WorldTraveler]

And surely you can find some real world modern success stories including companies that have managed to overcome obstacles and still march to their own drummer? NW wasn't exactly a stereotypical conformist

 

[commavia]

 It's more like DL found out that A4A was a democracy, and wasn't able to simply get their way on everything because Richard sayeth so...

Now, instead of spending $5M a year for A4A to do the lobbying on their behalf, DL will spend at least that much trying to do their own lobbying, and it's probably not going to work out any better for them as a single entity.

But hey, other airlines have tried to go it alone. Braniff v1.0 did. Worked out well for them in the end.

 
http://airlines.org/news/a4a-board-votes-to-remove-delta-air-lines-maintain-association-budget/
 
Seems A4A didn't want to wait six months for Delta to leave, agreeing to pick up Delta's share of the dues and "expressed unanimous support for A4A and its agenda."  As A4A Vice Chair and CEO of Alaska Airlines (haha) Brad Tilden put it, "A4A is a consensus-based organization, and we are pleased to be moving forward speaking in a unified voice."
 
So begging the obvious "tree falling in the forest" question, if Delta leaves A4A and none of the other members care, does it matter?

 

[metopower]

http://airlines.org/news/a4a-board-votes-to-remove-delta-air-lines-maintain-association-budget/
 
Seems A4A didn't want to wait six months for Delta to leave, agreeing to pick up Delta's share of the dues and "expressed unanimous support for A4A and its agenda."  As A4A Vice Chair and CEO of Alaska Airlines (haha) Brad Tilden put it, "A4A is a consensus-based organization, and we are pleased to be moving forward speaking in a unified voice."
 
So begging the obvious "tree falling in the forest" question, if Delta leaves A4A and none of the other members care, does it matter?

Easy answer.... Delta left. What choices did aa or Alaska have? They didn't kick Delta out... Delta left of their own choosing. They had no choice but to put a positive spin on it. Not so noisy I suspect.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Consensus based can just as easily mean "groupthink where thinking for yourself" is discouraged.

When one major issue after another that DL has pushed from Exim to the ME3 to ATC reform have been issues where holding hands is more important than doing the right thing even if it means rubbing a lot of people the wrong way, then it would appear that DL is better off advocating on its own.

and while we haven't seen a list yet, NW did indeed do a whole lot of things differently than other carriers and the status quo

 

[jcw]

The great news is DL advocating on its own has been a huge success

 

[WorldTraveler]

Tell us what your factors are for success or not and then maybe we can determine whether DL has been successful or not.

 

[eolesen]

So begging the obvious "tree falling in the forest" question, if Delta leaves A4A and none of the other members care, does it matter?

Apparently not.

Let's see how long it takes for A4A to take a position on Love Field access now.

 

[jcw]

Tell us what your factors are for success or not and then maybe we can determine whether DL has been successful or not.

Let's run a WT play - look it up yourself let us know your analysis - I've already done my research on DLs success in this space - the Internet has lots of information on DLs outstanding advocacy successes

 

[swamt]

 
http://airlines.org/news/a4a-board-votes-to-remove-delta-air-lines-maintain-association-budget/
 
Seems A4A didn't want to wait six months for Delta to leave, agreeing to pick up Delta's share of the dues and "expressed unanimous support for A4A and its agenda."  As A4A Vice Chair and CEO of Alaska Airlines (haha) Brad Tilden put it, "A4A is a consensus-based organization, and we are pleased to be moving forward speaking in a unified voice."
 
So begging the obvious "tree falling in the forest" question, if Delta leaves A4A and none of the other members care, does it matter?

A4A appears to have wanted Delta out ASAP.  When all the other members are willing to pony up the fees to cover for Delta's removal speaks volumes. As the article below says that they are tired of putting astric marks at the end of every quote why Delta was the only one that did not agree with the A4A.  Who is the common denominator here? It is Delta at DAL. And it is Delta here with the A4A. 
Yes E. We shall see how long it will take on the A4A to take up issues at DAL access. It is one of the issues A4A has brought up before.

 

[WorldTraveler]

what you and E can't seem to get is that access to DAL is governed by EXISTING laws which AA and WN both either didn't understand or tried to ignore in hopes of achieving their own goals... A4A members can spend all the money they want to advocating for changing the laws at DAL but DL's access there is and will be driven by laws that exist now.

and it is still true that if DL was failing in the present environment, then its financials should show it.

Given that DL posted the highest operating margin of the big 3 and also generating the highest amount of operating revenues in the 3rd quarter, then it is clear that DL knows how to adapt to the environment it is in.

 

[commavia]

Bwahahaha.
 
AA and Southwest - both instrumental in crafting the legislation that lifted the Wright Amendment - "didn't understand" it, and yet a self-appointed airline industry internet discussion forum legend-in-his-own-mind, who thinks that goodwill can simply be created and put on a balance sheet, does.
 
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
 
Classic - that one's a keeper!

 

[WorldTraveler]

This thread is about DL and A4A.

If WARA was as clear as you all think it is DL would have been gone 2 years ago. The case is still alive because no feds of any sort have said DL's rights don't exist.

 

[swamt]

WOW!! The board could get Delta out quicker.  This speaks volumes...
 
A4A's board votes to make Delta's exit immediate