Delta starting DTW-MUC and MSP-FCO

[WorldTraveler]

thank you.... and yes, you are correct that the WIDEBODY identifier must be present.

and it is also true that no other US airline can make that statement.

 

[topDawg]

the 764 doesn't have the range for Asia??

no. Might be able to do SEA-NRT/ICN but anything more is kind of long (and you would end up leaving cargo and possibly PAX behind) 
 
plus the 332s have a lower C count, which seems to fit in better in the TPAC market. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

the 332s have a higher PERCENTAGE of business class seats than other TPAC aircraft in the DL fleet. The 332s total business class size is within a few seats what is on all DL int'l aircraft except for the 744.

In fact, the 744 is the only aircraft in DL's ENTIRE int'l fleet that has more than 40 business class seats and they are leaving the fleet in the next few years.

Do the math if you are in doubt.

DL simply does not see the need for large premium cabins on its int'l fleets and yet it still gets higher average fares than many of its peers on comparable routes.

 

[topDawg]

the 332s have a higher PERCENTAGE of business class seats than other TPAC aircraft in the DL fleet. The 332s total business class size is within a few seats what is on all DL int'l aircraft except for the 744.

In fact, the 744 is the only aircraft in DL's ENTIRE int'l fleet that has more than 40 business class seats and they are leaving the fleet in the next few years.

Do the math if you are in doubt.

DL simply does not see the need for large premium cabins on its int'l fleets and yet it still gets higher average fares than many of its peers on comparable routes.

Do you post this kind of stuff just for fun or what? 
 
The 332s have less C seats than the 764. I didn't say anything about percentages, avg. fare, the 744 or basically any of the crap you just posted. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

the 764 has more business class seats than every other aircraft other than the 744, the 764 doesn't have 40 sellable business class seats since one has to be used for crew rest, and it also does not fly the Pacific.

How about you post the number of business and coach seats for each TPAC aircraft and let me know if your statement about the smaller business class cabin really makes sense?

There is a difference as much as 3 seats between the 332 and the 777, 333, and 763s which fly the Pacific (other than the few 25 seaters). The 332's C/Y ratio is higher than other aircraft including the 333 and 777.

iow, you made up a statement about the 332 being better for the Pacific because of a smaller business class cabin which isn't actually the reason at all. The 332 is used on the Pacific vs. the Atlantic where it was predominatnly used before because of its range and OVERALL smaller size.

In contrast, DL's intention to use the 764 to MUC esp. for a brand new route indicates their belief that there is a good amount of premium traffic. The 333 gives up a few of those premium seats but bumps up the total seat count and drives down the CASM significantly.

 

[topDawg]

the 764 has more business class seats than every other aircraft other than the 744, the 764 doesn't have 40 sellable business class seats since one has to be used for crew rest, and it also does not fly the Pacific.

How about you post the number of business and coach seats for each TPAC aircraft and let me know if your statement about the smaller business class cabin really makes sense?

There is a difference as much as 3 seats between the 332 and the 777, 333, and 763s which fly the Pacific (other than the few 25 seaters). The 332's C/Y ratio is higher than other aircraft including the 333 and 777.

iow, you made up a statement about the 332 being better for the Pacific because of a smaller business class cabin which isn't actually the reason at all. The 332 is used on the Pacific vs. the Atlantic where it was predominatnly used before because of its range and OVERALL smaller size.

In contrast, DL's intention to use the 764 to MUC esp. for a brand new route indicates their belief that there is a good amount of premium traffic. The 333 gives up a few of those premium seats but bumps up the total seat count and drives down the CASM significantly.

So you really can't read? 
 
Okay. 
 

no. Might be able to do SEA-NRT/ICN but anything more is kind of long (and you would end up leaving cargo and possibly PAX behind) 
 
plus the 332s have a lower C count, which seems to fit in better in the TPAC market. 

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Dawg. There is really no reason to engage the troll, or go tit for tat to show what a tool he is. I am sure he does it all by himself each and every post.

All here get it, and those that are new, figure it out by reading 1 or 2 of his delta love manifesto missives.

There is a very valid reason that you and Kev (and a token other few that poke him) are the only people that ever respond to any of his posts any more.

I understand that it is like rubbernecking a traffic accident. It is hard to ignore him when we get cloudskimmers and spectators popping up.

 

[topDawg]

Dawg. There is really no reason to engage the troll, or go tit for tat to show what a tool he is. He does it all by himself each and every post.

All here get it, and those that are new, figure it out by reading 1 or 2 of his delta love manifesto missives.

There is a very valid reason that you and Kev (and a token other few that poke him) are the only people that ever respond to any of his posts any more.

I understand that it is like rubbernecking a traffic accident. It is hard to ignore him when we get cloudskimmers and spectators popping up.

Its just so much wrong, I don't want others to see it and think that is how things really are. 

 

[WorldTraveler]

How about you instead admit that your statement about the smaller C cabin on the 332s is not correct? There is a diference at best of 3 seats between the 332 and the 777. The size of the business class cabin is NOT the reason.

The rest of your original statement about 764 range is correct but had already been posted.

 

[topDawg]

How about you instead admit that your statement about the smaller C cabin on the 332s is not correct?

It is correct. The 332 offers less C seats compared to the 764. the % is higher but at the end of the day Delta still doesn't have to try and sell 5 seats worth of C seats

That isn't wrong.

 

[WorldTraveler]

The 764 doesn't fly the Pacific and has nothing to do with your comparison because you specifically commented about flying the Pacific - which you also said the 764 can't do except for at best 1 route with few performance issues (SEA-NRT).

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Fascinating how a simple question posed by Robbed (why DL doesn't fly the 764 across the Pacific) and a simple answer provided by TD (range restricted to a few markets) can be turned into a non-nonsensical multi-post multi-word onslaught.  Talk about not having an intelligent discussion about business issues.

 

[WorldTraveler]

the intelligence comes in NOT saying what isn't factually there.

The size of the business class cabin on the 332 is within a few seats of the size of the cabin on the majority of the DL int'l fleet.

the statement about the 764's range is not the issue.

The 764 doesn't fly the Pacific and has been repeatedly noted here as having a large business class cabin - which is why it has bee selected to fly to MUC from DTW, even as the initial flight.

the selection of the 764 shows the value that DL sees in the DTW-MUC business class market.

 

[FrugalFlyerv2.0]

Even if DL's 764 were to be reconfigured to have less business class seating, (deleted by moderator) answer remains correct in that they still would be restricted to operate in just a few west coast <--> Asia markets.
 
Spin away!

 

[WorldTraveler]

The strategic significance of the past couple weeks' announcements regarding German routes is now clear.

In the year since AA and US merged, DL is now positioned to overtake AA as the 2nd largest US airline to Germany which is the way it was before the AA/US merger.

DL will be about 50% larger than AA to Germany by next summer. DL in the space of two years will be offering about the number of seats that AA offered to/from Germany in the summer of 2014.