none of that has anything to do with what I have said. I'm sure it hurts the drive(s) how much is unknown by me or you. Again, if the union drive(s) are based on things other than pay (and to my understanding both of them aren't related to pay but to work rules, scope and insurance) then it doesn't hurt the union drive all that much. Delta employees, me, you, kev, baba, etc all know how well paid we are. The issue for some are things like outsourcing, work rules, ready reserve, higher and higher insurance and lack of pension restoration now that the company is back to being healthy. (note, I don't mean getting the DB plan back, its done.....gone......finished but IMO its a f--in joke that WN and the Delta pilots have a much higher 401K match/contribution than we do.) Sorry, I thought at one point you had said you were furloughed or bumped from mechanic to helper. My mistake. hey look you still don't know what you are talking about.