DL rumored to acquire used A340-600s

[700UW]

It still doesnt matter, its a total different ball game when you fly and maintain the plane then just doing MRO work.
 
So who's A340s does DL work on or overhaul?
 
Lets see facts, just because you offer a service doesnt mean you are actually doing it.
 
Considering there are no US based A340s.

 

[700UW]

Seems someone isnt totally honest, from DL Tech Ops webpage:
 
 

Airframe Maintenance can be performed on all of the following aircraft:

• Airbus 318,319,320,321
• Airbus 330
• Boeing 737 (all series)
• Boeing 757 (all series)
• Boeing 767 (all series)
• Boeing 777 (all series)
• MD-11
• MD-80
• MD-90

No A340 listed.
 
http://www.deltatechops.com/mro-capabilities/view/category/airframe-maintenance
 
DL only has oncall maintenance listed for the A340, which would be line, not overhaul:
 

 

Delta TechOps Certified MRO Technicians are qualified to service a wide variety of aircraft. Out Aircraft Capabilities include:

• CRJ/ERJ
• Airbus 319
• Airbus 320
• Airbus 330
• Airbus 340
• Boeing 737
• Boeing 747
• Boeing 757
• Boeing 767
• Boeing 777
• MD-88
• MD-90
• MD-11

 

So they dont have a maintenance program for the A340.
 
And if they work on any other airlines A340, they have to be trained before they are allowed to touch it.

 

[eolesen]

And if they fly the aircraft, the chances are very high that they will also sell the services they do on their own aircraft to other airlines.

Uh, to whom exactly do they plan to sell services to? There aren't any other operators in North or South America aside from AC, and just about every other major operator of the 340 (including AC) has their own MRO subsidiary to turn to.

 

[700UW]

Actually E, AC doesnt fly them anymore according to airfleets.
 
http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Air%20Canada-history-a340.htm

Another airline that got rid of them

 

[eolesen]

Wasn't aware they'd dumped them as well.

Again, you have to ask why a smart airline like DL would want the industry's cast-offs.

Maybe they should pick up a bunch of F-100's while they're at it. Those can be had at scrap value prices.

 

[WorldTraveler]

did you actually read that the A340 IS listed on the 2nd list of aircraft types that you copied?

there aren't many operators of the M90 or 717 that are interested in DL MRO services but DL flies the aircraft and sells the services to those that might be interested anyway.

feel free to run as far down this rabbit hole as you want.

If DL believes the economics of flying the 340 are worth it, and we don't know at this point, the maintenance capabilities are fairly small down the list given the commonality with the A340.

 

[700UW]

Did you read?
 
That was for OTS aircraft, meaning line maintenance, not overhaul.
 
And before any mechanic is allowed to touch another airlines OTS aircraft, they have to be trained on the planes and its systems and logbook training.
 
The listing for the A340 is for oncall OTS line maintenance.
 
DL has no overhaul maintenance for the A340, they only offer on-call line maintenance, see above about training.

Go back and read it again.

 

[WorldTraveler]

yeah we get all that.

You can't seem to comprehend that if DL is really serious about this deal, and we really don't have any confirmation that they are, they will do what they have to do to incorporate everything necessary in order to operate that type.

We get your desire to argue about every point that is made, but there are people at DL who are smart enough to not only know all the issues involved but are able to make a determination of the costs involved.

There were people who have said that DL couldn't operate into JNU, let alone with a 757, but work is being done on all fronts including adding a jetway capable of handling the 757.

Everything you mention is valid but it is part of the process that DL and any other carrier uses to add another equipment type.

If they decide it is worth it, the type is added; if not, they move on to other options. The same process would be used for adding a new aircraft as part of the RFP - which includes models that aren't in the DL fleet - as well as aircraft that are related to models that DL operates.

 

[700UW]

I never stated otherwise.
 
You stated DL has an A340 maintenance program, I showed you to be incorrect.
 
They dont have an overhaul program for the A340, they only have on-call maintenance and that is only if the mechanic has gone through the other airlines training program.
 
Cant admit you were wrong?

 

[WorldTraveler]

no I didn't say DL had an A340 program.

I said DL says it has at least some capabilities on the 340. I never said they had an overhaul program.

Why do you have such a deep-seated need to try to prove someone wrong?

It is apparent in the whole tone that you use in the unionization campaign - which is your primary interaction on the DL forum.

You truly don't realize how much damage you do to your own cause by adopting such a confrontational style.

If DL people want a union at all, whether DL operates the 340 or not, whether DL expands its network or not will never happen - any of it - because anyone sees value in conflict and confrontation - as you clearly do - but because there is the possibility to do BETTER and overcome CHALLENGES.

If, and it is a big if, DL moves forward with ANY used aircraft program just as they have with expanding its west coast presence or improving what DL employees have, union or not, it will be because there is a spirit of cooperation and a desire to mutually work together for the betterment of all not because someone is going to win pointing out every little speck that most everyone realizes is there anyway.

 

[700UW]

no I didn't say DL had an A340 program.

I said DL says it has at least some capabilities on the 340. I never said they had an overhaul program.

Why do you have such a deep-seated need to try to prove someone wrong?

It is apparent in the whole tone that you use in the unionization campaign - which is your primary interaction on the DL forum.

You truly don't realize how much damage you do to your own cause by adopting such a confrontational style.

If DL people want a union at all, whether DL operates the 340 or not, whether DL expands its network or not will never happen - any of it - because anyone sees value in conflict and confrontation - as you clearly do - but because there is the possibility to do BETTER and overcome CHALLENGES.

If, and it is a big if, DL moves forward with ANY used aircraft program just as they have with expanding its west coast presence or improving what DL employees have, union or not, it will be because there is a spirit of cooperation and a desire to mutually work together for the betterment of all not because someone is going to win pointing out every little speck that most everyone realizes is there anyway.

 

DL Tech Ops already offers services on the A340.

http://www.deltatechops.com/mro-capabilities/view/category/line-maintenance

DL has consistently shown that it uses its fleet complexity/diversity to gain expertise which it then markets as MRO services.

And DL still has one of the lowest maintenance CASMs among US airlines.

 

[WorldTraveler]

Again, argue if you wish. DL Tech Ops offers maintenance services on the A340. You are the one that has tried to convert what I said into a "program."

 

[Kev3188]

 

feel free to run as far down this rabbit hole as you want.

This entire topic is a rabbit hole...

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

And you guys devoted 12 pages to his nonsense.

 

[yoyodyne]

IMHO, the best possible use for the A340 (or any Arbii for that matter) is to be converted to drones, to test the efficacy and accuracy of fire control systems for both surface to air and air to air weapons systems of the military.