QA4,
DL's filing with the SEC says the refinery will be tweaked to produce 52k bbl per day of jet fuel and with the trades DL has w/ BP and P66, they will obtain access to 80% or 210K bbl/day of jet fuel.
Jim,
I thought it would be worth while to go back to the other thread (since a new one was started for the announcement of the refinery purchase) and look at the arguments that were made by members of the forum compared to what DL said in its SEC filing.
Just a few comments...
1 - don't be too swayed by crack spreads. It isn't the difference between the cost of crude going in and finished product coming out of the refinery. It's the difference between the cost of crude at a terminal (Cushing OK for WTI crude, Saudia Arabia for ARAMCO crude) and the cost of finished product at the delivery terminal (NY harbor, for example). As transportation costs increase, the crack spread increases.
2 - refineries can tweak the amount of jet fuel produced but can't produce only jet fuel. So DL would be getting into the petroleum business, not the jet fuel business, with all the headaches/problems that that entails. Anyone ever wonder why there aren't small scale producers in the refining business any longer?
3 - owning a refinery doesn't magically reduce the price of jet fuel dramatically. Besides all the costs of running/maintaining a refinery, there's still the transportation and distrubution costs. A refinery in Delaware county doesn't put fuel in an airplanes tanks in LAX, ORD, DFW, MIA, etc. It'd probably be significantly cheaper to buy fuel in those locations than transport fuel from a refinery on the east coast. The cheapest transportation would be the pipeline, but only to the northeast from Delaware county since the pipeline from the Gulf is a one-way system.
4 - If Conoco/Phillips shut down the refinery, maybe they had a good reason.
Jim
I've not said that the amount of jet fuel produced from each barrel of crude can't be tweaked - I've said it can. But major changes - trying to produce 20-30% jet fuel from each barrel of crude is out.
Jim,
just look at the DOT stats for fuel usage by US airlines and the capacity of this refinery - which is published.
It isn't terribly unreasonable to think one refinery could produce 5% of the jet fuel used by US airlines; remember that foreign airlines come to the US and buy fuel here...so the amount is probably pretty close to the total amount of civilian jet fuel used in the US.
I have no idea how much jet fuel the military uses - but they clearly buy some of it from the same refineries that sell to commercial aviation.
Given that DL has about 20% of the capacity among US airlines, this refinery would at best provide a minority of the fuel even DL uses.
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It is an interesting concept but the refinery is still a small part of the total production of US jet fuel - and for now represents no capacity since it is not operating... and that may be part of what makes the deal attractive to DL - a mothballed plant that hasn't sold but has the potential to increase jet fuel supplies.
Obviously C-P wanted out of this refinery for very good reasons to them... it doesn't mean the reasons are the same for someone else.
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DL has made no statement about its interest in this refinery- it was leaked information from a petroleum industry source. It may or may not come to fruition and the negotiations and DL's analysis are undoubtedly going on right now.
DL is undoubtedly consulting refinery experts and consultants to help decide the viability of the project since this is clearly not in DL's core area of competence. Any company that embarked on an acquisition of this nature outside of their core area would probably face stockholder lawsuits if something goes wrong in the future and they can't demonstrate they either had inhouse experts or hired advisers during the evaluation process.
Even if DL buys the refinery, it is very likely they will contract for someone to run it - perhaps C-P, esp. since C-P said that refinery worked in tandem w/ the other refinery they are keeping.
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None of us will ever be able to judge whether this will be a good idea - and it may well be that DL will never provide enough information even IF it owns the refinery to know if it has worked out well.
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This whole topic is an interesting development and it will be worth watching.....
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Let's once again keep this whole thing in perspective...... DL spends over $10B a year on fuel. The cost of acquiring and getting the refinery up and running might require an investment equal to 3% of DL's annual fuel expenses - probably less.
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In the best case, DL will build on its very favorable cost position to have 3-5% better costs than its peers, an amount that is more than enough to provide a competitive advantage - on top of the other cost control moves DL is taking.
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We also haven't heard if DL could obtain any government incentives to reopen the closed refinery which would offset some of its costs.
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"A 185,000 barrels per day refinery like Trainer necessarily produces far more gasoline and diesel than it does jet."
People might not see that even this serves it's purpose. Delta doesn't necessarily have to use the products on aircraft. Selling gas and diesel on the open market can generate revenue. Even though the refinery was a loss, rising fuel prices and not many refineries may make it a future investment.
The shipping tangent started with a question about whether DL could just use the jet fuel from Trainer if the purchase is made. We've both agreed that the obvious action would be for DL to in effect trade discounts with suppliers in other parts of the country, itself not an easy proposition since there's a supply chain to deal with instead of just refinery operators.
The input cost disadvantage is not easy to get around. It's either accept that disadvantage or update the refinery to handle lower grades of crude, which would make the money to get it up and running look cheap. Trainer has little refining capacity downstream of distillation, which is needed to turn lower grades of crude into as much usable product as a refinery built to use lower grades of crude. Since distillation is the most basic form of refining, changing Trainer to use lower grades of crude effectively involves building from scratch the capability to do the downstream refining processes.
Jim
In short, yes,
-the refinery can be tuned to produce 30% jet fuel,
-DL is hiring a team of petroleum experts who will run the refinery,
-they do have partnerships w/ petroleum companies who obviously believe it is also in their interests to partner with DL,
-the difference between the jet fuel crack spread and gasoline crack spreads are large reason why DL is entering into this deal and they believe there are structural reasons why it will not change, -
-DL is addressing supply issues, although the refinery will produce a minority of DL's petroleum needs, with swaps DL is assuring the supply of 80% of its domestic needs (which is probably 60-70% of its global needs)
-DL is obtaining the transportation assets necessary to distribute the fuel to its operations in the NE
- DL could obtain a 3% cost advantage relative to its competitors for jet fuel in an industry where the best margins in the past year was that much.
tech,
I also find it interesting to see what posts I write solicit negative feedback..... not surprisingly, some people don't like the idea that DL could generate fuel cost savings that amount to 5% of what it spends on employee costs per year.
In a highly cmopetitive industry with a lot of labor turmoil, it isn't terribly far fetched to believe that DL might use its cost advantage in part to provide the pay raises to its employees that it has promised while other airlines are working through messy labor integrations as part of mergers - or BKs.
Thus, it isn't surprisingly that many of the participants in this discussion on this forum really don't want to see DL obtain a cost advantage via fuel that they could use in the marketplace.
And interestingly, one columnist has already said the DL deal is targeted at WN.... while I'm not so sure, the perspective is worth considering in light of the fact that the domestic market is the backbone for every US airline and not a single US airline has ever survived w/o being able to compete in the US domestic market.
http://seekingalpha.com/article/545881-delta-refinery-deal-all-about-southwest?source=yahoo
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To those people I say, welcome to the highly competitive airline industry.