FAA approves move by Atlanta-area airport opposed by Delta

[WorldTraveler]

didn't say NONE of them.

with 10K employees, DL would be schizophrenic if they tried to meet all of their demands.

they make choices based on what people want.

there AREN'T two very active campaigns, Kev. or at least they aren't active by DL employees. The activity is because it includes paid - past or present - union organizers.

 

[Kev3188]

Lol. If you say so.

 

[topDawg]

the employees spoke. 9 out of 9 defeats by the labor movement during the merger representation process.

not a single vote scheduled six years after the merger closed.

and Tech Ops didn't even have the interest to justify a vote.

Has DL Tech Ops EVER had a union election?

Yes or no WT. Try and keep up..... Have you polled every employee yes or no? Being non-union doesn't mean everyone is happy with the way the system works genus
 
And I cant remember if the AMFA got a vote in the early 2000s or not. However, that has nothing to do with anything. Again, you can want change and not vote in a union. 

no I did not and neither did you.

how convenient that you love to throw out the "but you were a part of evil mgmt." routine when it suits your cause but in this case where it might mean that I know some of the key issues regarding labor, you conveniently seem to want to ignore that I very well did have access to a whole lot more labor related information than you want to admit.

DL people DO NOT WANT union style bumping policies.

and you of all people should be the strongest opponent to them.

If you haven't asked every employee how to do you this?
 

Unions don't tell the members what they want the members tell the negotiators what they want in a CBA.

No logic is needed here. Unions, Delta, the world......even God him self work as WT says they do. If you don't like that then leave. 
 
No profit sharing for you! 
 

no, they just sign secret documents with mgmt. and then try to foist the deal onto their members who are livid that they are being taken for stupid.

and, yes, Kev, my statement is declarative. DL people don't want union-style bumping.

the onus is on YOU and your union ilk to change a system which exists and DL employees have not shown an interest in changing.

please post your data that says you have talked to every employee and everyone has said they don't want that. 
 

didn't say NONE of them.

with 10K employees, DL would be schizophrenic if they tried to meet all of their demands.

they make choices based on what people want.

there AREN'T two very active campaigns, Kev. or at least they aren't active by DL employees. The activity is because it includes paid - past or present - union organizers.

You uh
 
 
you really don't understand how this union thing works do you? 

 

[robbedagain]

its pretty obvious  and quite clear WT has ABSOLUTELY NOT 1 darn clue about unions or how they work   Typical MGMT stooges    
 
Kev  cant say it enough  I truly hope it all works out for you and all to become union   You all deserve a say in matters   deserve to have scope  especially in light of how DL treats their peeps regardless of what mgmt. WT says

 

[WorldTraveler]

DL employees don't want union bumping rules.

You and Kev will retire as non-union employees and die and DL will still not have union style bumping policies.

and if you really want them, you should go try your hand at AA and UA where you'll see how much they will be used.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Back on track...

How is the airport in Paulding County coming along?

 

[WorldTraveler]

the latest was that the FAA said they would approve an environmental impact study but the 3 incoming county commissioners that go to work Jan 1 said they were opposed to commercializing the airport - so it is doubtful that anything will happen although it is possible that the EIS might get started and then placed in file 13 by the new county commission.

 

[Glenn Quagmire]

Is Delta Air Lines Unfairly Fighting a Second Atlanta Airport?
By Alexander MacLennan
November 18, 2014

"Of the top 10 U.S. metropolitan areas, there's only one without a secondary passenger airport according to FAA and Census data. Unlike most other large cities, Atlanta has only one large commercial airport: Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, which serves as a major hub for Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL ) .

But another group has pushed to open an airport northwest of Atlanta for commercial passenger traffic. So far, their efforts have been unsuccessful, but is Delta Air Lines to blame..."

..."Although Delta and Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed continue their opposition to the Paulding Airport expansion, Reuters reports that the FAA has cleared the way for the environmental study of the expansion to begin. With this being one of the last major steps before expansion can begin, expect both sides to continue their campaigns for and against this airport expansion.

Delta Air Lines clearly has an interest in stopping commercial expansion at Paulding Northwest Atlanta Airport, but there is no clear evidence that the airline ever moved outside the law in its actions."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/11/18/is-delta-air-lines-unfairly-fighting-a-second-atla.aspx

 

[swamt]

no, they just sign secret documents with mgmt. and then try to foist the deal onto their members who are livid that they are being taken for stupid.

and, yes, Kev, my statement is declarative. DL people don't want union-style bumping.

the onus is on YOU and your union ilk to change a system which exists and DL employees have not shown an interest in changing.

Your first para describes the industrial unions (TWU/ IAM/ ibt) methods perfectly.
 

Unions don't tell the members what they want the members tell the negotiators what they want in a CBA.

This is how it is done at AMFA.  When we had the ibt here this DID NOT happen.  It was the union telling our membership what we could get or not get and yes with behind closed doors made with the company.  Happened both here at SWA as well as at CAL...

 

[WorldTraveler]

Is Delta Air Lines Unfairly Fighting a Second Atlanta Airport?
By Alexander MacLennan
November 18, 2014

"Of the top 10 U.S. metropolitan areas, there's only one without a secondary passenger airport according to FAA and Census data. Unlike most other large cities, Atlanta has only one large commercial airport: Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport, which serves as a major hub for Delta Air Lines (NYSE: DAL ) .

But another group has pushed to open an airport northwest of Atlanta for commercial passenger traffic. So far, their efforts have been unsuccessful, but is Delta Air Lines to blame..."

..."Although Delta and Atlanta mayor Kasim Reed continue their opposition to the Paulding Airport expansion, Reuters reports that the FAA has cleared the way for the environmental study of the expansion to begin. With this being one of the last major steps before expansion can begin, expect both sides to continue their campaigns for and against this airport expansion.

Delta Air Lines clearly has an interest in stopping commercial expansion at Paulding Northwest Atlanta Airport, but there is no clear evidence that the airline ever moved outside the law in its actions."

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/11/18/is-delta-air-lines-unfairly-fighting-a-second-atla.aspx

there have been a number of airports in metro Atlanta that have tried to open commercial service and not one has succeeded.

The community, not DL, has made those decisions.

you forgot to include this paragraph

"Delta Air Lines clearly has an interest in stopping commercial expansion at Paulding Northwest Atlanta Airport, but there is no clear evidence that the airline ever moved outside the law in its actions. That's not to definitively say the airline never did so, but there is not enough public evidence at this point to support such a conclusion, and the DOT does not appear to be targeting Delta in an investigation. Furthermore, there are other legitimate concerns about airport expansion including cost to taxpayers and land use that have led to groups besides Delta, including Atlanta's mayor, opposing the Paulding Airport expansion."

as for the filler garbage that the author included about merger divestments, ATL is not slot-controlled and has abundant common use gates, something that DAL still does not have.

ATL also didn't show up in the same antitrust review as having thousands of markets where DL has huge majority shares with no viable 2nd place carrier... the fact that those same antitrust reviews showed lack of competition is why there were divestitures involving the AA and UA mergers but none for the DL or WN mergers.

 

[robbedagain]

gee  I wonder why DL has an interest in not seeing another airport with another airline     then again  you don't see AA not wanting WN at the other airport in DAL!   

 

[WorldTraveler]

AA fought WN for DECADES to keep them from being able to fly from DAL, then had to accept that they could fly to close-in cities, and now 35 years later WN has finally won the right to fly to the entire country.

no other airline has worked as hard as AA has to squash competition.

NONE.

and not even the Transportation Dept. says they are investigating DL or anyone else... they are gathering facts.

but since you are clueless and that reality doesn't match your narrative, you couldn't be expected to believe it.

 

[eolesen]

Actually, it was Fort Worth who fought the City of Dallas in court for decades.

BN and AA certainly supported Fort Worth and politicians who were opposed to service at DAL, but didn't have standing to fight it on their own.

DL would be better served by being passionately neutral on Paulding.

 

[WorldTraveler]

and DL certainly has no standing to block the development of another airport either but I suppose that is lost on everyone here

 

[eolesen]

But they certainly are trying to influence it. And that's the issue.