Forbes Article on Trainer

Discussion in 'Delta Air Lines' started by jcw, Jan 30, 2015.

  1. 700UW

    700UW Corn Field

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2003
    Messages:
    37,637
    Likes Received:
    19,488
    Well look at this, everyone knows how World Fraudster praises Trainer, well from DL's latest annual report.
     
     
    And you know  many refinery workers are on strike at the moment, well looks like Trainer can be next, we will know by the 28th.
     
    • Like Like x 2
  2. topDawg

    topDawg Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,914
    Likes Received:
    2,319
    I want to point out this is how all labor unions should be. Contract ends you are on strike or working out an extension. 
     
    RLA sucks because you have to get an okay from the NMB which doesn't give those okays anymore. 
     
  3. 700UW

    700UW Corn Field

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2003
    Messages:
    37,637
    Likes Received:
    19,488
    Because the RLA was enacted into law to protect interstate commerce first and foremost and was enacted in 1926 or so when there were no airlines.
     
    The law gave the railroad workers the right to unionize and collective bargain, but its main purpose was to stop all the wildcat strikes.
     
  4. topDawg

    topDawg Veteran

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2010
    Messages:
    2,914
    Likes Received:
    2,319
    I understand the idea. It use to work. 
    Tell the airlines bought the government. Now it doesn't. 
     
    If we were under the NLRA I can promise you that airlines wouldn't be going 8-10 years in contract negos. 
     
  5. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    there are also open contracts at dozens of refineries as well.

    given that a few people think that Trainer has no effect on the jet fuel market, let's see how fast jet fuel supplies start dropping when those refineries are on strike.

    and if those refineries can keep operating, so can Trainer.

    and when those other refineries sign contracts, DL will do the same at Trainer.

    DL is not going to set the standard for wages at Trainer and it will follow what other refineries pay their employees.
     
  6. 700UW

    700UW Corn Field

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2003
    Messages:
    37,637
    Likes Received:
    19,488
    DL's own 10k states Trainer only supplies LGA, JFK, and the Northeast cities.
     
  7. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    not sure what your point is.

    I am saying that there are open labor contracts at MANY US refineries.

    Any labor issues at those refineries will affect far more of the US economy than Trainer will.

    DL is not going ahead of or behind what other refineries will offer their employees.

    When those refineries settle, DL will too.
     
  8. 700UW

    700UW Corn Field

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2003
    Messages:
    37,637
    Likes Received:
    19,488
    No such thing as an open contract under the National Labor Relations Act.
     
    CBAs under the NLRA have effective and expiration dates, it is totally different than CBAs under the RLA.
     
    Contracts become amendable and expire, hence the February 28th deadline and after that date the unionized employees at Trainer can strike.
     
    There are multiple refineries are on strike at this moment and they are on strike for safety issues, not money.
     
  9. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    they are on strike because the contracts have expired.

    The impact to national fuel supplies will be far greater than what Trainer can do.

    DL has a track record of positive labor relations that is unsurpassed in the airline industry.

    They are smart enough to figure out how to apply those principles to the refinery as well.
     
  10. FrugalFlyerv2.0

    FrugalFlyerv2.0 Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2003
    Messages:
    2,930
    Likes Received:
    3,414
     
    And yet a few pages back you were blathering about the impact Trainer refinery has on fuel prices.
    So which is it?
    Either Trainer is so powerful that it has an impact or really it isn't consequential at all?
     
    jcw was correct:  if it wasn't for double standards you would have no standards.
     
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 2
  11. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    Trainer affects jet fuel PRICES.

    Trainer is not the only refinery so cannot solely affect availability.

    If you don't understand the difference between prices and supplies, then maybe your assessment of yourself is accurate.

    why don't you recognize that once again in your attempt to try to make me and DL look bad, you have stuck your nose into a discussion that you don't understand.
     
  12. FrugalFlyerv2.0

    FrugalFlyerv2.0 Veteran

    Joined:
    Oct 29, 2003
    Messages:
    2,930
    Likes Received:
    3,414
    Spin your way out of this
     
     
    So, which is it?
    Either Trainer is an all powerful refinery controlled by DL, or really not all that significant.
     
    It;s quite obvious that you've tangled such a web of lies, misinformation, fabricated stats/numbers and ridiculous statements to push your DL uber alles narratives that you're now conveniently backed into a corner and have no choice but to resort to name calling, deflecting and spinning to try to slither away from any more posts that make you look like a fool.
    [​IMG]
     
    • Like Like x 1
  13. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    there is no spin... you simply don't know the English language well enough to know that being a significant supplier does not mean that other suppliers don't supply the majority of US jet fuel supplies.

    Significant does not mean largest.

    again, you are sticking your nose into a subject that you don't understand and you are doing it solely to throw dirt.

    the only one that gets dirty is you.
     
  14. 700UW

    700UW Corn Field

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2003
    Messages:
    37,637
    Likes Received:
    19,488
    So now your a commodities expert in Oil?
     
    What financial firm do you work for and where is your degree from and are you licensed and bonded?
     
    • Like Like x 1
  15. WorldTraveler

    WorldTraveler Corn Field

    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2003
    Messages:
    21,710
    Likes Received:
    10,721
    you have no idea what education and background I have.

    but I can assure that I have more educational experience and degrees than you, robbed, and Kev all have put together.

    and regardless of what I have or don't, you can't accept on this just like other issues that someone else knows more than you do.
     

Share This Page