IAM & AFA file for elections at DL

[Kev3188]

Nicky--

Welcome to the boards. If you have any questions about the IAM or anything related, post 'em up here, or send me a message. I'll be happy to help.

 

[southwind]

Why dont you compare what both employees lost and got back, you will clearly see NW's employees faired better than DL.

Did DL negotiate with the employees?

Nope,

Did NW?
Yes.

Look at medical costs, cheaper at NW than DL, NW gets more vacation, sick time, and got a lump sum payment, did you at DL?

How did NW employees fair better since they now work for Delta ?

Employees did not have to negotiate with DL........................the company did it all on their own !

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Again , let me know how that whole union thing works when a company files bankruptcy ?

 

[Kev3188]

Again , let me know how that whole union thing works when a company files bankruptcy ?

It worked out better than if we had not had someone advocating on our behalf in the courtroom.

Were you not paying attention when both carriers went through BK?

A compare and contrast is easy to do, since it's all a matter of public record. Do some homework.

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

Google Section 1113 of the Bankruptcy Code, it explains it all. See unionized airline workers get to negotiate and have a choice, non-union dont.

And the Pre-Merger NW unionized employees are still covered by a collective bargaining agreement and are working under those terms, DL cannot by law change that!

 

[bagboy]

Err, Delta's giving me back close to $550.00 on Oct. 15 ! And it's being given back, all without a union ........................or paying union dues !

How many months did they pay this back so far. If they started last October, they would only need to continue each month till next March 2011 to get close to what the IAM got us. My cash is earning a dividend for me right now, not for the man that stole it in the first place.

 

[WoRkInG]

What makes you think, if the poop hits the fan and Delta files bankruptcy, that your union will be relevant. Their main concern will be staying in power ,making concessions and collecting dues....................... your job comes 2nd !

Why do you keep bringing up if/when delta files bankruptcy? Union or no union, who wants bankruptcy? I did research on both companies going threw bankruptcy and what happen with the employees. It's cut and dry, NW came out a whole lot better. People of Delta do your research and don't get frighten by some of the language from people like "southwind". Understand that a contract in any type of situation goes a long way in the USA. A man's work is the greatest gift from God. Have some say so when it comes to compensation/benefits.

 

[nicky guy]

Southwind. Unions (it could be argued) be compared to Lawyers, who, lets face it are easy targets for criticism, from folks who Never have had a need for one.
BUT, when a situation arises and we Need one(for what ever the reason) we kiss their feet in admiration !

Now, factor in that scenario, coupled with a Brutal economy, then IMO you've got this Rare (Southern USA) situation where you need someone to fight for your interests, should DL unleash "THEIR stable of attorneys" against the DL little guys/gals(workers) !

This is IMO a prime example of "Never say never" with regard to unions and the southern USA.
Should you be unable to recognize this,logic would dictate to me that you're(perhaps) in DL Management.

 

[southwind]

Why do you keep bringing up if/when delta files bankruptcy? Union or no union, who wants bankruptcy? I did research on both companies going threw bankruptcy and what happen with the employees. It's cut and dry, NW came out a whole lot better. People of Delta do your research and don't get frighten by some of the language from people like "southwind". Understand that a contract in any type of situation goes a long way in the USA. A man's work is the greatest gift from God. Have some say so when it comes to compensation/benefits.

#1 I believe the majority of members on this site are pro-union, over 90%, so I know that no matter what I say it will be met with skeptisism and disdain !
In the financial world we find ourselves in now , unions are a henderance to growth, imo. And lets be honest here, how many of you would be pro-union if you had your own company, a company that provides jobs, which is what we need the most right now and government jobs don't count. My geusstimate would be none of you would want a union at "Your" business !

I also believe that unions are no better than the companys they infiltrate ! That they are there for one primary reason....................themselves. Their members come second and are nothing more than a means of revenue !

No one forces you to work for one company or another in the U.S. If you don't like whats going on at your company then find another to work for !

No one owes you anything, unless you live in a socialistic society !

BTW, no I'm not management and when the hell is the vote, so we can all get back to work ?

 

[john john]

BTW, no I'm not management and when the hell is the vote, so we can all get back to work ?

I want a vote I don’t want a vote I want a vote I don’t want a vote I want a vote

 

[NYGiantsFan90]

Southwind isnt voting, his group his not fleet service, and since the law allows workers to have the choice to unionize, its their right. Why is it ok for the CEO and senior management to have contracts but not the rank and file who do the work and produce the profits?

The NMB declared single carrier status today.

e National Mediation Board (NMB) today issued a single carrier ruling for the Fleet Service (Ramp) classification at Delta Air Lines. This important ruling sets in motion a 14-day countdown that will determine if the workers in the combined Delta/Northwest Fleet Service classification at Delta will have a secret ballot election.

This 14-day period, which concludes on September 8, 2010, is the last opportunity for pre-merger Delta Fleet Service workers to submit signed election request cards. The NMB requires evidence of "sufficient interest" among employees before it will authorize a union representation election.

There is much riding in the election’s outcome. Delta has said that pre-merger Northwest employees will lose IAM-negotiated contractual benefits, such as pre-age 65 retiree medical benefits and healthcare premiums for active employees that are lower than what pre-merger Delta employees are required to pay. Also at risk is the only active guaranteed pension plan at the airline, paid sick time, occupational injury payments, and more vacation accrual than pre-merger Delta employees.

While IAM members have much to lose, both employee groups have much to gain. Following a successful election, the IAM will help Fleet Service workers negotiate an enforceable contract based on what Fleet workers tell the IAM they want.

Any pre-merger Delta employee in the Fleet Service classification who has not recently submitted a signed and dated election request card should do so without delay. Full-time, part-time and Ready Reserves are all eligible. Election request cards are only valid for 12 months from the date they were signed. Election request cards are available from any IAM representative, by calling 1-800-998-3554 or by completing a form at www.IAM4Delta.org.

 

[nicky guy]

Once the union gets in(and in my opinion they will) that famous folk song................ "The Night they drove ol' Dixie Down" / Joan Baez / Will have a new meaning !

Substitute the word ....."They", with the word...Northwest,........................and ....."Ol' Dixie" with Delta !!!!!

 

[Kev3188]

BTW, no I'm not management and when the hell is the vote, so we can all get back to work ?

I've been working all along. What have you been doing?

 

[Airlinelifer]

I've been working all along. What have you been doing?

Kev, I can tell you what he hassn't been doing, he hasn't been reading the statement we just recieved from the IAM National Pension Fund.

 

[southwind]

Southwind isnt voting, his group his not fleet service, and since the law allows workers to have the choice to unionize, its their right. Why is it ok for the CEO and senior management to have contracts but not the rank and file who do the work and produce the profits?

The NMB declared single carrier status today.

e National Mediation Board (NMB) today issued a single carrier ruling for the Fleet Service (Ramp) classification at Delta Air Lines. This important ruling sets in motion a 14-day countdown that will determine if the workers in the combined Delta/Northwest Fleet Service classification at Delta will have a secret ballot election.

This 14-day period, which concludes on September 8, 2010, is the last opportunity for pre-merger Delta Fleet Service workers to submit signed election request cards. The NMB requires evidence of "sufficient interest" among employees before it will authorize a union representation election.

There is much riding in the election’s outcome. Delta has said that pre-merger Northwest employees will lose IAM-negotiated contractual benefits, such as pre-age 65 retiree medical benefits and healthcare premiums for active employees that are lower than what pre-merger Delta employees are required to pay. Also at risk is the only active guaranteed pension plan at the airline, paid sick time, occupational injury payments, and more vacation accrual than pre-merger Delta employees.

While IAM members have much to lose, both employee groups have much to gain. Following a successful election, the IAM will help Fleet Service workers negotiate an enforceable contract based on what Fleet workers tell the IAM they want.

Any pre-merger Delta employee in the Fleet Service classification who has not recently submitted a signed and dated election request card should do so without delay. Full-time, part-time and Ready Reserves are all eligible. Election request cards are only valid for 12 months from the date they were signed. Election request cards are available from any IAM representative, by calling 1-800-998-3554 or by completing a form at www.IAM4Delta.org.

No one ever said you can't have a union or a contract but, sheesh.....................how long are we going to drag this out ? The union's already got the rule change, in their favor I might add, that they wanted so vote already. Instead we get crap like this :

"Northwest Airlines Union Sues Delta"
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24780629/detail.html

If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem !

 

[Kev3188]

Kev, I can tell you what he hasn't been doing, he hasn't been reading the statement we just recieved from the IAM National Pension Fund.

Ha!

No one ever said you can't have a union or a contract but, sheesh.....................how long are we going to drag this out ?

Who's we? I keep seeing a lot of roadblocks thrown up by the company. Maybe you oughta use that "direct relationship" and ask them why they're were doing so. While you're there, ask about the Sim. Tech interference; I'd love to hear it.

The union's already got the rule change, in their favor I might add, that they wanted so vote already. Instead we get crap like this :

"Northwest Airlines Union Sues Delta"
http://www.wsbtv.com/news/24780629/detail.html

If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem !

DL knew that they were getting CBA's that were/are in effect when they orchestrated this whole thing. Someone down there should've been smart enough to know that abiding by them was also part of that. To say that they were doing so as some sort of nicety is ridiculous.