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roabilly,
Fair question. If I was not running for office, F/S agent with no union ties, experience or involvement. Basically apathetic to the whole election and related issues. I believe my opinion would be not supportive to wholesale change. I have known from the day I decided to run this was a challenge the opposing teams faced. To persuade members to turn from the status quo and vote for change is challenging in any election. In reference to the example in your question... the challege facing all three teams running in this election is getting the average IAM member out to vote. Fair question...honest answer.
ograc (aka cargo)

I hear yahh cargo...

You passed the diplomatic, tactful, and honest test. I only have one thing to add... most of the F/S agents I speak with are far from apathetic. They know full well of the ramifications of changing leadership, as well the consequences of not participating in the election process.

I think you will see a very profound statement in member participation in June... just as we had in 2008!
Never under estimate this membership... they have arisen to many challenges in the past, and they will arise to this challenge as well!

Everyone has chosen sides... the stage is set... may the best team WIN!
 
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Go to the light Jester. You have been warned it is an oncoming train. Hopefully, you will not mislead too many members to follow you. Because if you do, we will all be thrown in front of the train of deception.
ograc


If one were to use the train in a dark tunnel as a metaphoric analogy for deception... Jester is the engineer, conductor, dispatcher, and ticket agent! Further, he is probably sitting on the front cattle guard with his own bright light, hoping everyone will sit transfixed on the dark tracks, as the rumbling behemoth shreds us all into meat confetti!

Do as Mike33 and I have done... ignore him... and demote him... he is a Red Herring!
 
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If one were to use the train in a dark tunnel as a metaphoric analogy for deception... Jester is the engineer, conductor, dispatcher, and ticket agent! Further, he is probably sitting on the front cattle guard with his own bright light, hoping everyone will sit transfixed on the dark tracks, as the rumbling behemoth shreds us all into meat confetti!

Do as Mike33 and I have done... ignore him... and demote him... he is a Red Herring!


i got sum meat confetti for him!
wherre is niblit?
I thought he would
have more stuff to say bye now
has he figgurd nelson out as a
koolaid pusher looking for junkeys?
 
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Tim
I have read on Facebook, that you are asking Delaneys ticket how many African Americans he has on his ticket. Question for ya!! If you have the best ticket, and the best people running, what is your need to bring race into the mix???
Ill ask you now, if you think your guys are the best, then put GA from phl that is running for Agc on your ticket on here, or send him to visit cities and let him be asked some questions without you answering for him. I will tell everyone now, that Tim won't do this, because he knows GA, can't speak for himself, dosent have anything to do with the color of his skin, has to do with his knowledge. Or better yet, let any of your AGC,s visit cities without you being with them!!! Let's see is this happens!! People if Nelson won't do this, how is he going to let these people represent the members?? But yet he says he is there for the members!!! Again, wake up people!!!!!
Uneed2no,
Sorry but I haven't been on this page in a week or so. Man how rumors swirl when I'm gone.

Apparently, you need to know that i have went to several stations with GA and he speaks fine. The great majority of his members support what he says and I will have to count on that support as we move forward.

What you say I haven't done, I have done many times. I don't post every place I travel or who I travel with but this week I went to DCA and EWR with GA. Been to places with GA in March also. What's the fuss?

At any rate, what I have said is that there are many african americans who are qualified and Local chairman but for some reason aren't included in any of the 23 full time paid positions on Delaney's team. When a group makes up almost 50% of our membership now and they are excluded, that affects all of us and it's the exact sorta reason we would expect why very few members show up at our locals other than the establishment.

And it's not just race, we need to include part time, retirees, etc as the occupy platform requires in diversity. Me and you will just have to disagree but I choose to move this union from the 1940's and adapt it to this brave new world though inclusionism. We already know that our union is broke and needs fixed, and things aren't getting better with the same ole paradigm.

The end result is that the working people are getting their collective arses handed to them. Even the IAM lost another 20,000 members last year [even after our successful organizing drives] and for the first time in 80 years is below 350,000 at 345,000. Worst yet, retirees keep increasing and this puts even more pressure on the IAM pension fund.

Onward!

Onward www.occupyiam141.com

Tim
 
Awww… now come-on 700… not “sweet innocent” Tim! I’m sure it had to be some conspiracy orchestrated by the evil, IAM infidel empire, that lead to his problems!

Further, it’s interesting to speak with the senior F/S Agents in CLT… none of them are very fond of Nelson. I guess they remember all the crap he did in the past!

Tim’s only hope for election this June is based on a less educated and, younger group of members being naive enough to fall for all his ridiculous rhetoric. Fortunately, enough of the senior folks are left to educate the others on Tim’s past shenanigans.

In case you are not educated on Tim’s past… CLICK HERE!

From what I observe here in CLT… the Membership will retain the N/D folks for another term!
My past is well documented as I am outfront and have been. I tried to organize any union under the sun instead of the IAM as the US AIRWAYS members were saddled with representation that was awful and they ended up with worst conditions than non union employees at many airlines. To this day I have never saw where non hubs are paid 30% less than hubs, and the 'seniority cleansing' of laid off workers who accept recall was anti union for sure.

But the question remains, if I was such a monster then why did Erik Stenberg, current AGC beg me to retake my Local Chairman position and then appoint me as Local Chairman in January 2008? Why did Delaney hire me to lead the organizing department at such a critical time in 2009? Why did Atkinson and delaney give me the "Certificate of Appreication" for my outstanding service and dedication to the District 141 membership at a Local Chairman conference? Better yet Roabily, why did you 'take my word for it' in September if I am such the devil?

It's amazing how politics reinvents history and when someone announces he is going to challenge the establishment, that the establishment then makes the person the devil. But democracy does have a dirty face and so no big deal.

The simple fact is that I am the only proven and successful leader who is a Presidential candidate. When Delaney himself hired me, I scrapped the IAM organizing 101 handbook and reformed a terrible organizing union into an organizing machine. Starting with Airtran. But the IAM is still stuck with a nasty representation paradigm that is still stuck in the 1940's therefore I owe it to myself and the membership to reform the represenation of this union like I did the organizing part. Bottom line.

Onward!
 
Please consider the records and accomplishments as posted by the new direction. Click Here

Let's discuss a few things about it. Why does their accomplishment page have half the page dedicated to a magazine upgrade? Then throws in the purchase of new ipads and the re-arrangement and purchase of new furniture due to a office move? Folks, this isn't home fashion magazine, this is a collective bargaining agent, so where are all the signed contracts, pay raises, job security that the established group has signed in the last 4 years?

Yes, they have signed and supported many things so why are they embarassed at what they signed and refuse to put up their 'records' of the one main thing we all pay dues for, i.e., collective bargaining?

Here is their record for the sake of collective bargaining.

1. They signed a Hawaiian airline contract that supported management only paying part time half of full time and have to pay for parking.
2. They signed the secret LOA that they still haven't posted on their web page about how they supported management locking out US AIRWAYS members for a couple hundred bucks.
3. They liked the US AIRWAYS attendance policy so much that they brought it over to United, signed it without a vote.
4. They signed on to transition talks at United without first finishing a contract.
5. Signed a no strike clause at airtran without a vote.

Brothers and sisters, when a magazine upgrade is the main feature, something is wrong. 4 years and a complete fiasco regarding collective bargaining.

Onward!
 
It makes no sense to be 'neutral' on a merger when we already know 400 US AIRWAYS members have been laid off, including a new announcement laying off 100 in June, while at the same time, management secures a few thousand jobs for the TWU at AMR in only 6 weeks of negotiations.

A union president can't be neutral on the above but he has stood down and said he is. Something is wrong with that but it is the exact same path that he put his own blood on at United. it's happening all over again and the union is scewing around saying it needs 'more information'.

Brothers and sisters, the present situation isn't acceptable and other unions have taken stronger paths in mergers to attain pay raises, seniority protections and work protections PRIOR to signing on to transition talks. This union has seemed to have a single focus on dues ever since I could remember. We must focus on the attainment of a contract prior to any merger and we must not be neutral in this inequitable situation. Please inform yourself on how Delaney handled the United/Continental merger and if you have no political attachment there will be no way you would be able to vote for him.

As aside, having United airline presidents who have screwed their own makes no sense when the US AIRWAYS members have ALWAYS been treated second best. Especially going through a merger when a United president won't have anything on the line and has already paved a path for how he handles mergers.

Onward!
 
i got sum meat confetti for him!
wherre is niblit?
I thought he would
have more stuff to say bye now
has he figgurd nelson out as a
koolaid pusher looking for junkeys?
I'm right here Bluto.
Your typing is terrible. I could use some help with my spelling from time to time, but you truely need help. I work for a living. Two jobs remember, I also have grievences that need to be handled and I'm doing just that. I've read over the AA contract and and I check in here from time to time to see AA updates. Also I'm waiting for the arbiters ruling at SWA for their ramp. We are coming in to election month and where I sit it business as usual. I will get some travel time in in June. Maybe we could meet face to face if you really work for US Airways or United. Havent had kool-aid since I was a boy growing up. Prefered water and still do. I support the occupy ticket and Tim Nelson. But please spell NIBLET right or just call me Tim. See you at the polls.
 
News Flash!!!
Leadership For Progress Team Candidates denied access to Fleet Service breakrooms by candidates from another team. Candidate threatens to "call local management" to have them removed. Claims one of the biggest hub cities in the US system is "his house".
More tomorrow.
ograc

please visit: http://lfp12.com
 
News Flash!!!
Leadership For Progress Team Candidates denied access to Fleet Service breakrooms by candidates from another team. Candidate threatens to "call local management" to have them removed. Claims one of the biggest hub cities in the US system is "his house".
More tomorrow.
ograc

please visit: http://lfp12.com
yaawwwwnnnn. I have been denied access at all US AIRWAYS stations so join the club, with the one exception when I went to DCA with GA and he gave a negotiations update. But even then, I was summoned to a management office. Even when I was in EWR the other day, I was forbidden to go to US AIRWAYS breakrooms.

If you are getting in breakrooms at US AIRWAYS then that is unfair since I can't. Did you get in the PHL breakrooms today? I'd like to know?

Onward!
 
yaawwwwnnnn. I have been denied access at all US AIRWAYS stations so join the club, with the one exception when I went to DCA with GA and he gave a negotiations update. But even then, I was summoned to a management office. Even when I was in EWR the other day, I was forbidden to go to US AIRWAYS breakrooms.

If you are getting in breakrooms at US AIRWAYS then that is unfair since I can't. Did you get in the PHL breakrooms today? I'd like to know?

Onward!

Tim,
Like you we have been denied access to breakrooms. This has been dictated in the past by local TSA and company policies regarding escorting. This was not the case in PHL. For the first time a candidate from another slate, a union brother, threatened to "call management" to have us thrown off the property. Effectively denying members in "his house" the opportunity to meet and speak with the candidates. Imo... it speaks volumes.
ograc

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i dont think the break rooms should have involved tsa i could be wrong though but i can see mgmt pulling lit crap like this to prevent a wholenew set of folks such as orgac and tim from being able to garner support etc
 
i dont think the break rooms should have involved tsa i could be wrong though but i can see mgmt pulling lit crap like this to prevent a wholenew set of folks such as orgac and tim from being able to garner support etc

robbedagain,
My reference to the TSA is in many stations they have a say in how many escort badges are distributed to employees at US Airways and other airlines. On the campaign trail we have come to expect and experienced mgmt denying access. As stated earlier, this is the first time a "supposed" fellow union brother and candidate from an opposite slate, has threatened to involve and engage mgmt in an effort to carry out their agenda of censorship from other candidates. When he proclaimed PHL to be "his house" he was sternly rebuked that "it was the members' house". IMO... when one has no credentials or experience this effort to censor is the only option. We sought the opportunity to speak with the members and were denied by a supposed union brother and candidate for DL 141 election. Again it speaks volumes...
ograc

please visit:http://lfp12.com
 
i dont think the break rooms should have involved tsa i could be wrong though but i can see mgmt pulling lit crap like this to prevent a wholenew set of folks such as orgac and tim from being able to garner support etc

Generally speaking, visitors could be issued a visitors badge with an escort with the individual(s) during the entire time in the non-public areas, and I think the TSA would cover this area, as well.

While I am uneasy to defend management, I am not hearing that management is the reason as to why a candidate was denied access. My question becomes is how visitors were permitted into the break rooms without a badge of some sort in the first place? Show-up without a badge, and I am not surprised management isn't willing to accomodate people after the fact... lucky someone wasn't arrested and someone suspended for allowing someone into the area without a badge. Hell, I have seen employees get a visitors badge for their newborn child when brought to a breakroom!

So Questions Jester.
 
I hear yahh cargo...

You passed the diplomatic, tactful, and honest test. I only have one thing to add... most of the F/S agents I speak with are far from apathetic. They know full well of the ramifications of changing leadership, as well the consequences of not participating in the election process.

I think you will see a very profound statement in member participation in June... just as we had in 2008!
Never under estimate this membership... they have arisen to many challenges in the past, and they will arise to this challenge as well!

Everyone has chosen sides... the stage is set... may the best team WIN!
Roabily,

All I can say is that I hope CLT comes out bigtime. You had great respect for me and even took my word for things until late September when you pledged your political allegiance with the establishment. Talk all the crap you want Roabily, two things can't be denied.

1. When you and the membership paid me, I delivered and reformed organizing. Bottom line. And I did so because I don't stop.
2. Delaney and crew have plugged up 7 contracts and have become the starting pitcher that can't get out of the first inning. Other than the Hawaiian airline contract that they signed that supported management's desire to pay part timers have of full time and pay for parking.

Moving forward, this is the MOST critical time for all the US AIRWAYS members since a merger is likely with an airline that is almost twice its size. What we know already is the following:

1. US AIRWAYS management has been negotiating with the New DIrection for 6 months and has done nothing but lockout members and lay off 400 members during that time, including another 100 next month.
2. In only 6 weeks, US AIRWAYS management negotiated with the TWU and guaranteed to save 3,000 jobs more than AA management.
3. The New Direction leadership pledged a 'neutral' stance until the merger is farther along and more is known.

I submit to my fellow union members at US AIRWAYS that now ISN"T THE TIME to be neutral. When your management shows the door to 55 IND IAM members and says "Tuffa Lucka", but then specifically mentions IND as being protected with the TWU.....SOMETHING IS WRONG.

The New Direction is just like Canale and there isn't anything other than fascilitaiting management's plan or acting as a "I'll Ask Management" union. If, at any time, your union shouldn't be neutral, it's this time.

And Roabily, you are quick to talk about how the sacredity clause will not be enacted because you assume that US AIRWAYS is buying AMR. That may be the case as far as the stock may go but as far as the language of the merger, Doug Parker has said it will be a reversed merger, headquartered in DFW with the name American. And if you intend to take your members off of a cliff by taking Doug Parker for granted and assuming that he will not take advantage of the seniority clause to get rid of senior agents then you are politically delusional.

To the audience, these guys can talk all the crap they want but when I was serving you, I delivered because I don't stop. I reformed the organizing and now I'm coming back to finish the job and reform this nasty IAM representation that is stuck in the 1940's. It won't matter who is in charge of the union unless you have a president that knows how to fight and pushes the INTL union also.

Bobbleheads will only produce more job loss and keep an inequitable situation for all of our members. And it doesn't matter what airline. The New Direction has failed United and Hawaiian also. It makes no sense in going with leadership composed of canale leftovers or leadership composed of a United president who just screwed his own and threw his members into transition talks without gaining anything for them, unlike other unions who secured consideration and tribute for doing so.

You want neutral folks, vote Delaney and you will get the same ole and I guarantee it will be neutral.

You want someting for your dues, then you vote for the one person who delivered already on your dime.

Onward!

Tim
 
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