We tried like hell to get Tulsa to sign cards but the TWU was there with horror stories about what would happen if we left. Also in the 80s there were too many A scalers who had been catered to by the TWU and they weren't going to sign a card. Also there was proof that there were enough cards signed for a vote on one drive but AA and the TWU colluded to include fleet service, fuelers and planners on the eligible list. Then we can point to the last attempt and you have to admit that the TWU out-smarted the AMFA drive by bringing in the Teamsters to help them beat us. As I remember there was big Teamsters support in LAX and a few other places besides Tulsa. It seems like AA and the TWU always had a way to stop us. But it's really easy to blame Tulsa instead of admitting we weren't smart enough to out do the TWU. Believe me that is very hard for me to say. The point is you won't have to worry about Tulsa ever again theoretically since line out numbers us. But the IAM side of the fence will not go along with you. We are stuck in the TWU and this alliance and it doesn't matter if we like it or not. I think any card drive would be another failure but I am willing to try. Are you? And if so will you help? The only way we get rid of the association as I see it is ALL the TWU guys to do it. The IAM guys won't leave willingly. Crying wolf? Not all. Either we stick together or we get stuck in this alliance and never move forward. Whining? Maybe a little but if you were really involved with the past card drives then you know the real stories and wouldn't keep blaming Tulsa.