JCBA Negotiations and updates for AA AMTS

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  1. Matt1200

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    You must be TWU, I have heard nothing but complaining since the merger. Both unions are a disgrace! What are you willing to do to get yours????
     
  2. dfw gen

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    Ignore him he's just a bater, think he's a master at it.
    He shows up tries to stir it up then moves on .
     
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  3. Matt1200

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    Thx
     
  4. WeAAsles

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    I don't care what you think. I was just trying to explain the 4% to you because you were confused and incorrect about it.

    If you want to continue on being mathematicaly foolish that's not any of my concern.
     
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  5. WeAAsles

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    Don't care about any of that foolishness any more. If you aren't at least at the moment satisfied with your raises then satisfying you is impossible and not worth anyone's effort.

    Especially not mine.
     
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  6. dfw gen

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    You come off as a condescending fool.don't waste your time with us go pollute the fleet circus thread.
     
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  7. WeAAsles

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    Ok maybe using the "Oh Boy" to respond to the guy about the 4% was admittedly condescending.

    I was being presumptuous to think that everyone would have understood it by now was all.

    And I'll never consider you a waste of time. It's the Humanist in me that says everyone has the propensity to learn.

    So I will continue to drop in from time to time.
     
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  8. OldGuy@AA

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    Weaasles your analogy is not correct. In reality we were promised Delta plus 7. The pilots got it and the FAs got it. What we got (we were told) was Delta plus 3. The explanation was that we were now going to get profit sharing so we woudn't get the extra 4% everyone else got. Knowing that the pilots (Who will get much more PS than we do) and the FAs (Who will probably get more too) are also going receive profit sharing but didn't have to give back the extra 4% that makes our "Whole Pie" missing 4%. If you consider 96% of a pie as whole then you might want to re-evaluate your point. Of course I suspect your intent was to stir the pot and not to be accurate. Slow day?
     
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  9. WeAAsles

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    Old Guy I SWEAR I'm not looking to stir the pot. And I apologize for the "Oh Boy"

    Think back to when and why that 4% was given to the FA's and the Agents who already had JCBA's. It was because Delta had announced a leap over them and Parker leaped over that. The original 4% for us disappeared when Delta went above us and then UAL went above that (For Fleet)

    I went up 1% over UAL and you went up 1% over Delta. Again seriously the 4% was absorbed back in the distance.

    Now when you get a JCBA they will either compare you again to Delta or UAL whichever is higher. Both groups at UAL now have contracts to gauge that off of.

    Question to you guys? Come April who's rates will be higher for Maintenance? Delta or UAL.

    BTW I hope you have noticed the Pilots complaining about being stuck in 4th place now?
     
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  10. WeAAsles

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    BTW Old Guy the FA's may get more PS than you this year since they got their raises a while back? But I'd still tend to doubt it actually.

    On a yearly basis against you I'm sure they were still making less than you were last year if you factor in average Flight Hours flown.

    You absolutely will make more than them next year as you definitely should.

    The pecking order for wages will be considering non management of course Pilots first, Mechanics second, Fleet, FA's and PSA third and Support Staff last.

    Of course this is for the top paid in all those groups.
     
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  11. WeAAsles

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    One more time on this. Yes it's a different scenario than the one I think the guy was talking about but you are correct about that drop down of 7% above the top because of the now added PS.

    And since we have exactly 1/2 in PS what the other airlines provide I do think the 3% line should actually be 3.5% just to quibble.

    Unless of course and I'd love to see an accounting of it in the end. We have more items in our CBA that add up above our peers?

    Bill Swelbar I believe is back doing the updates on the Airline Data Project page since it wasn't being done for the last few years when he took another job and left it behind.

    I'm glad to see those numbers again.
     
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  12. bigjets

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    We did get that 4% raise in August (nov 5) we just got the 4% raise a year after everybody else. Thank you Doug and Delta management.

    Contract Rumor
    Contention points are vacation, we get 5 and UAL 7, and how OT is called. Management doesn't want to run OT list.

    Management got everything they wanted out of our contract in 2003 and then picked it dry in 2012, maybe they shouldn't use the excuse of dealing with a union, when they should look at the management style they currently have. if AA can't run Maint with this contract then maybe the system should be changed. I would use the stick and carrot approach rather then the all stick approach.

    When they're asking for OT at the time clock at punch out time, we are not thinking cool, we are thinking how did you not know you needed man power 2 hours ago.
     
  13. OldGuy@AA

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    I am not by any means an expert and have not spent a lot of time looking at the UA contract but it appears they actually are being paid a few cents less than we are in their new contract. But when you consider 7 weeks vacation, and 5 more holidays that means we have to work three more weeks per year than them to make just those few pennies more. I wish we all would think that way instead of allowing the company to disregard those things. I would also like to tell you that the flight attendants top out at 35 days vacation per year which also equals 7 weeks. If we are willing to accept 5 weeks vacation then there is no other way to say it except that we are stupid. If we are being forced to work three weeks more per year than United then we should be paid the equivalent of those three weeks more than them. Personally I would rather have the 7 weeks of vacation and 5 more holidays. I am aware the pilots are complaining and I'm sure DP will take care of them after he is done low balling us. If we accept less then we are indeed idiots.
     
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  14. DallasConehead

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    The vacation weeks lost from 13 on should be retro'd in cash along with the holidays missed and the higher rate that our counterparts on the LUS side have been getting all along. The 4% should be retro'd back to when everyone else got it and our sick bank should be retro'd with the missing days since 13. Any increase in 401k match should also be retro'd back into our 401ks.

    This will not happen and I expect we will accept less then what we deserve which would partially correct the harm done since 03.

    This is because there are people on this board and out on the floor that think we should just be happy and accept the fact that it is what it is and that the ASS has been great for us and we should be ecstatic about it.

    What's more, some of those in other title groups find it objectionable that we in maintenance have skills they do not possess. Their only way to deal with these objections are to attempt to belittle those with skills on an open forum. There are indeed some on this board that follow these beliefs and have the audacity to call people names for disagreeing with them. They use bullying and intimidation to try and bring you to their belief.

    They should be ignored and reported to the moderator as objectionable since they cannot control their outbursts.
     
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  15. WeAAsles

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    OldGuy thank you very much. It was a pleasure reading your response and I'd like to say I hope you had a Great Christmas and New Year and I hope that the rest of the year is great for all of us.

    I hope that you get the contract that you expect that is one extremely deserving of the sacrifice you have for many years now gave. I hope it's one that recognizes and respects what you and all you work with have provided and continue to provide to this now hopefully new Airline.

    You take care of yourself Sir. It's my belief that you're both a pleasure to know and work with.
     
  16. OldGuy@AA

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    I would also like to ask if anyone else
    Thank you WeAAsles. I hope your holidays were also enjoyable and you got some quality time with your family. I think we can both agree that neither of us will be happy unless ALL groups inside the TWU get their benefits restored and we ALL receive the contracts we so badly deserve.
     
  17. MetalMover

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    #1817 MetalMover, Jan 13, 2017
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    When JCBA negotiations started, I thought a contract would happen reasonably quick. "The company is dragging its feet!" "The union is dragging its feet!" The blame game.
    But once Javits issued his recommendations on seniority, I realized this is probably going to drag on and on. I believe further delay is going to be because of the ASSociation. Even though he issued the seniority lists and his rationale, where do we go from here? These are only recommendations. What if they are not accepted by the TWU and the IAM? Which method wii be used for future premium crew chiefs and inspectors? What will happen to tech crew chiefs? Instructors? How will layoffs be done? What bumping method will be used? What will happen if they can't agree on other issues?

    We have all been told that the company is dragging their feet, but WHAT will happen when the TWU and the IAM CANNOT agree on issues like these? Will it go BACK to arbitration which most likely will be binding?
    Did they secretly agree to these issued BEFORE going into negotiations or are they going to wait until those articles get discussed?
    I think we are going to be in for a much longer ride and it won't be because of the company.
     
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  18. swamt

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    I tried explaining that from day one of the asso announcement. Now you can see that I was right on with the TWU/IAM in fighting over different ways the 2 unions run things. It will only get worse. Each time the other union takes control of the union they will try to revert everything back to their way of doing things. Or they will just continue to bump heads over decisions that the membership should be making and throw it out to a 3rd party to rule on and it will never effect him. This BS will continue for as long as you guys keep this pathetic asso as your union representative...
     
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  19. dfw gen

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    • Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues
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      Janaury 13, 2017

      Association Leadership to Expedite Outstanding Joint Contract Economic Issues

      Top level TWU/IAM Association leadership will be joining ongoing joint contract negotiations with American Airlines to expedite outstanding economic issues.

      “The time is now for Association members to achieve the fair contract they deserve,” said Association Chair and Vice Chair Sito Pantoja and Harry Lombardo, respectively. “Association Negotiating Committees have been bargaining hard for over a year now and the membership has already enjoyed some of the benefits of their hard work. We have more work to do and we are committed to directing all the Association’s resources, including our direct involvement, to bring these negotiations to conclusion.” The TWU-IAM Association began joint contract negotiations with American Airlines in November, 2015. In August of last year, Association Negotiating Committees reached agreement on an interim wage agreement, which provided wage hikes of approximately 25 percent.

      Negotiations will follow the previously announced January schedule. Specific dates for the leadership to enter the discussions have not yet been determined.


      Download:
      [​IMG] TWU-IAM Association Bulletin.pdf

    • thank goodness they finally decided to get involved....oh wait their schedule has not been determined yet. the time to "expedite" was a year ago.
     
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  20. DallasConehead

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    #1820 DallasConehead, Jan 13, 2017
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    You don't think Sito and Harry are going to negotiate for weeks on end do you? LOL. They're going to come in and in 1 or 2 days done. Your gonna vote on and take what ever they decided and thats that. Way to go for the rest of the committee, they couldn't get it done.

    My guess is they've already decided what the final outcome will be before they made the announcement to meet.

    This makes Harry and Sito appear like "Knights in Shining Armor" to the crowd not paying attention.

    Thank goodness for the Ass!!!
     
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