JetBlue pilots choose ALPA
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did you have the sounds on "mute" since the little d word was absolutely there.
do you suppose the "challenge to our culture" means they won't play nice with the pilots the way most other airlines do?
do you suppose the "challenge to our culture" means they won't play nice with the pilots the way most other airlines do?
Kev3188
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Probably means the same thing it does anytime a company uses those same sorts of anodyne terms...
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Forbes has noted the type of relationship that B6 should choose to pursue with its pilots
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/04/25/delta-gets-along-fine-with-alpa-can-jetblue-do-the-same/?partner=yahootix
“If you look back over the past eight years, we’ve always been able to partner with our pilots and figure out what we need to do to keep Delta at the top of the industry,” Bastian said. “Our track record is the best in the industry in that regard.”
Moak took over as chairman of the Delta pilots in 2005, just before Delta filed bankruptcy. During his six years in office, he signed a contract that seemed to benefit both parties, helped the carrier fend off a hostile merger and then made the pilots key players in putting together a merger that work. His approach may be described as “for pilots to win, airlines must win too.”
During a Tuesday conference call where he discussed the JetBlue pilots vote, Moak declared: “If you’re not at the table, you’re probably on the menu. They decided to organize so they were at the table.”
Maybe some pilots represented by ALPA think it’s not always a great idea to be close to management.” Anderson told TheStreet. “I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better. (At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of ‘us vs. them’ to ‘we’re all in this together,’ and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
http://www.forbes.com/sites/tedreed/2014/04/25/delta-gets-along-fine-with-alpa-can-jetblue-do-the-same/?partner=yahootix
“If you look back over the past eight years, we’ve always been able to partner with our pilots and figure out what we need to do to keep Delta at the top of the industry,” Bastian said. “Our track record is the best in the industry in that regard.”
Moak took over as chairman of the Delta pilots in 2005, just before Delta filed bankruptcy. During his six years in office, he signed a contract that seemed to benefit both parties, helped the carrier fend off a hostile merger and then made the pilots key players in putting together a merger that work. His approach may be described as “for pilots to win, airlines must win too.”
During a Tuesday conference call where he discussed the JetBlue pilots vote, Moak declared: “If you’re not at the table, you’re probably on the menu. They decided to organize so they were at the table.”
Maybe some pilots represented by ALPA think it’s not always a great idea to be close to management.” Anderson told TheStreet. “I think that Lee has broken the mold and proven that when we all cooperate, the industry does better and the employees do better. (At Delta) we have moved from a regulated era of ‘us vs. them’ to ‘we’re all in this together,’ and we trust each other and work together to make our airline successful.”
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and yet somehow the article comes up in a JBLU news summary- because it is about B6.
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ALPA says pay raises at B6 are not the primary goal
Coming amid relatively strong U.S. airline earnings, the yes vote by 71 percent of eligible JetBlue pilots had raised questions about whether airline unions were positioning to win back wage and benefits concessions they made over the last decade.
JetBlue shares are down 9.6 percent since Monday in a week that also saw the airline post weak quarterly earnings and a Reuters report that its flight attendants would seek to follow suit in holding a vote to unionize.
But Moak signaled that a pay increase was not his primary goal.
"JetBlue is the same company today as it was on Monday," Moak said, "Now that the pilots are organized, we're going to engage with the company to ensure that it continues to be a great company and that the culture continues."
That's not to say there won't be upward pressure on wages. Airline unions have already made gains in recent years and that pressure is likely to persist, particularly at the regional carriers, which have been suffering from a pilot shortage
Coming amid relatively strong U.S. airline earnings, the yes vote by 71 percent of eligible JetBlue pilots had raised questions about whether airline unions were positioning to win back wage and benefits concessions they made over the last decade.
JetBlue shares are down 9.6 percent since Monday in a week that also saw the airline post weak quarterly earnings and a Reuters report that its flight attendants would seek to follow suit in holding a vote to unionize.
But Moak signaled that a pay increase was not his primary goal.
"JetBlue is the same company today as it was on Monday," Moak said, "Now that the pilots are organized, we're going to engage with the company to ensure that it continues to be a great company and that the culture continues."
That's not to say there won't be upward pressure on wages. Airline unions have already made gains in recent years and that pressure is likely to persist, particularly at the regional carriers, which have been suffering from a pilot shortage
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If alpa merger policy was what they were looking for, they are seriously uneducated.
alpa merger policy, (do what ever to whomever as long as alpa gets dues) is so disfunctional...
being a member of an opposite union elicits M/B..... that is what you want..... a federal legislation stating you cant be striped and raped, unless you willfully agree to it.....
traderjake
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How'd that theory work out for the Frontier and Airtran pilots opposite Soutwest?
Worked out just fine as they agreed to it overwhelmingly. Did not work out so well for the Frontier pilots. Now look what they have been thru since they refused to work something out. Woulda, coulda, should of...
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that WN bought a company that it could impose its will upon regardless of what the impact was on the minority.
You can argue all day long that the majority ruled - which they did - but native WN employees also ran roughshod over a lot of FL employees in order to achieve what they wanted.
Perhaps the the vast majority of former FL employees just realized that they were better off not fighting but rather assimilating, accepting their higher salaries, and figuring out how to succeed in a new company.
that being the case, WN won what it wanted and the former FL employees figured out how to survive.
Isn't the first time it has happened in the airline industry
You can argue all day long that the majority ruled - which they did - but native WN employees also ran roughshod over a lot of FL employees in order to achieve what they wanted.
Perhaps the the vast majority of former FL employees just realized that they were better off not fighting but rather assimilating, accepting their higher salaries, and figuring out how to succeed in a new company.
that being the case, WN won what it wanted and the former FL employees figured out how to survive.
Isn't the first time it has happened in the airline industry
