More Jobs Cut in MSP

Unless WT is trying to claim that DL's cost advantage over anyone is because of killing off jobs in Minnesota, bringing up said cost advantage is really just more deflection.

It's true that paying off the loan hasn't caused any immediate job losses. But I'd be willing to bet a McRib combo meal that a year from now that there are going to be another 1000 or more jobs cut just in Minnesota.

..and nobody has even mentioned the effect this is going to have:

"Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul Joint Venture

As part of a separate agreement, Delta and Aeromexico will expand their Maintenance, Repair and Overhaul (MRO) agreement with a new facility scheduled to open in the third quarter of 2013. The airlines will invest equal shares to establish a facility in Mexico that builds on existing repair work between the carriers, as well as third party airlines.

"The MRO agreement will represent significant savings for our maintenance group while continuing the extremely high quality work we receive from Aeromexico," said Delta President Ed Bastian. "The facility is a natural next step for the two airlines as we leverage the full benefits of our alliance.""

http://news.delta.com/index.php?s=43&item=1426

sorta reminds me of this, minus the union issue:

"Qantas infuriated unions in August when it said it would improve its loss-making overseas business by creating an Asia-based airline with its own name and brand.

The five-year restructure plan will cost 1,000 of Qantas' 35,000 jobs."

http://www.ajc.com/business/qantas-airways-grounds-global-1212539.html
 
Unless WT is trying to claim that DL's cost advantage over anyone is because of killing off jobs in Minnesota
thank for sticking to the truth.
We'll weigh the accuracy of your prediction at the appropriate time....
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Black,
you do realize that DL is the western world's largest airline MRO- receives more money repairing OTHER PEOPLE's aircraft than any other airline in the Americas.
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The likely outcome of the AM cooperation is that DL will no longer send overhauls to China but will gain new component and engine work from other carriers - more revenue and more job security for DL Tech Ops.
That is what DL execs said they expect to happen but since they are execs, we shouldn't believe them, I suppose.
 
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transferring for anyone isn't terribly viable when the housing market is in the tank. The problem is to fix the economy and the housing market.
But, again, there is no announcement that any res office is closing or that anyone would be forced to relocate.
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The airline industry is notable for the requirement for employees to move from one place to another but even that has not happened here.
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Believe it or not, but someone else can succeed along w/ you... you winning doesn't mean someone else else has to lose. Focus on AA's turnaround and quit worrying if DL does well or not. They are doing what they need to do secure the future for their stockholders and employees.

One saving Grace is the Twin Cities Real Estate Market isn't nearly as bad as it is elsewhere. Houses do move here. It's not MI, RI, NV, FL or AZ
 
One saving Grace is the Twin Cities Real Estate Market isn't nearly as bad as it is elsewhere. Houses do move here. It's not MI, RI, NV, FL or AZ

How's the real estate market up in Hibbing?... You know, the market that couldn't support air service from DL anymore?...
 
thank for sticking to the truth.
....more job security for DL Tech Ops.
That is what DL execs said they expect to happen but since they are execs, we shouldn't believe them, I suppose.

You are kidding, right? You're going to have to run that Corporate line past someone that's not paying attention:
Delta's recent Published on: 03/18/08

Once a company known for never cutting jobs, Delta has now launched five waves of major cutbacks in this decade, targeting 38,000 jobs.

September 2001 - Two weeks after 9/11 turned an industry downturn into a nosedive, Delta announced plans for up to 13,000 job cuts via layoffs and voluntary buyouts or retirements.

October 2002 - Delta moved to cut 7,000 to 8,000 jobs in a second wave of buyouts and layoffs. Then-CEO Leo Mullin cited losses of $1.6 billion since the terrorist hijackings.

September 2004 - The airline, now under CEO Gerald Grinstein, announced new cuts of 6,000 to 7,000 jobs as it sought to avoid a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing amid continued red ink.

September 2005 - Amid more losses and rising fuel costs, Delta entered bankruptcy proceedings and immediately announced a new round of 7,000 to 8,000 job cuts.

March 2008 - On Tuesday Delta extended buyout offers to 30,000 employees, saying it hopes to cut about 2,000 frontline jobs as it cuts capacity in the face of ever-higher fuel costs.

...and this article, by date, does not address the 2009 and 2011 reduction in force via severance packages or involuntary severance.
 
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You are kidding, right? You're going to have to run that Corporate line past someone that's not paying attention:
Delta's recent Published on: 03/18/08

Once a company known for never cutting jobs, Delta has now launched five waves of major cutbacks in this decade, targeting 38,000 jobs.

September 2001 - Two weeks after 9/11 turned an industry downturn into a nosedive, Delta announced plans for up to 13,000 job cuts via layoffs and voluntary buyouts or retirements.

October 2002 - Delta moved to cut 7,000 to 8,000 jobs in a second wave of buyouts and layoffs. Then-CEO Leo Mullin cited losses of $1.6 billion since the terrorist hijackings.

September 2004 - The airline, now under CEO Gerald Grinstein, announced new cuts of 6,000 to 7,000 jobs as it sought to avoid a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing amid continued red ink.

September 2005 - Amid more losses and rising fuel costs, Delta entered bankruptcy proceedings and immediately announced a new round of 7,000 to 8,000 job cuts.

March 2008 - On Tuesday Delta extended buyout offers to 30,000 employees, saying it hopes to cut about 2,000 frontline jobs as it cuts capacity in the face of ever-higher fuel costs.

...and this article, by date, does not address the 2009 and 2011 reduction in force via severance packages or involuntary severance.
you realize also that DL has offered voluntary packages not only in each one of these reductions but in many others.
No one is doubting that DL has cut jobs... every network airline in the western world has.
What has made DL different from other airlines is that they have obtained more job cuts through voluntary programs than any other airline.
The largest voluntary package yielded nearly 5000 takers in the 2004-5 cuts you noted.
Even without any intent to cut jobs this year, DL obtained 2000 takers for voluntary packages.
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Let us know if you know of any other airline that extended offers or obtained as many voluntary reductions as DL.

As for your logic that because DL cut jobs in the past, they will under the AeroMexico maintenance agreement, DL mgmt has noted that the MRO will give DL greater ability to bid for full maintenance services by allowing MX to focus on airframe overhauls w/ DL focusing on engine and component maintenance.
There is no reason to think that the AM agreement will result in further job cuts because AM doesn't have the same capabilities that DL has and there is no evidence that the agreement includes transferring DL's capabilities to them.
And again it also will likely lead to DL bringing back some of its Asian based overhauls to the Americas, where DL is the largest MRO.
You also realize that DL received contracts to overhaul at least half of Gol's engines that power its 737NG fleet, which I believe is the largest in Latin America.
Check out www.DeltaTechOps.com DL's capabilities, numbers of clients, along with the awards it has received for the work it does.
The cuts DL made in maintenance occurred during the BK phase and included getting rid of the facilities that support airframe overhauls that DL has chosen not to do any longer.

The AM-DL maintenance partnership - which involves an investment by DL in the joint MRO - positions DL to grow its MRO business.
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If there are further job cuts, we can discuss them but none have been announced.
 
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As soon as the NMB issues are resolved, it's obvious where the next shoe to drop will be:

Code:
Airline Call Centers

DL	ATL AGS CVG DFW SLC TPA
NW	MSP SEA HIB SUX
Consolidated Total: 10 Centers

WN	ABQ MDW HOU OKC PHX SAT
FL	ATL SAV CTJ
Consolidated Total: 9 Centers 

CO	IAH SLC
UA	HNL ORD DTW 
Consolidated Total: 5 Centers

AS	SEA PHX BOI

US	PHX INT RNO

AA	TUS RDU DFW 

F9	DEN MKE

B6	SLC

I can see WN+FL having more centers because they have the highest percentage of direct bookings of any US airline (possibly *any* airline).

But DL with 10? They've already closed down one pmNW office, but the agents at pmNW TPA simply moved into the pmDL TPA office.
 
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You are kidding, right? You're going to have to run that Corporate line past someone that's not paying attention:
Delta's recent Published on: 03/18/08

Once a company known for never cutting jobs, Delta has now launched five waves of major cutbacks in this decade, targeting 38,000 jobs.

September 2001 - Two weeks after 9/11 turned an industry downturn into a nosedive, Delta announced plans for up to 13,000 job cuts via layoffs and voluntary buyouts or retirements.

October 2002 - Delta moved to cut 7,000 to 8,000 jobs in a second wave of buyouts and layoffs. Then-CEO Leo Mullin cited losses of $1.6 billion since the terrorist hijackings.

September 2004 - The airline, now under CEO Gerald Grinstein, announced new cuts of 6,000 to 7,000 jobs as it sought to avoid a Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing amid continued red ink.

September 2005 - Amid more losses and rising fuel costs, Delta entered bankruptcy proceedings and immediately announced a new round of 7,000 to 8,000 job cuts.

March 2008 - On Tuesday Delta extended buyout offers to 30,000 employees, saying it hopes to cut about 2,000 frontline jobs as it cuts capacity in the face of ever-higher fuel costs.

...and this article, by date, does not address the 2009 and 2011 reduction in force via severance packages or involuntary severance.

Where does it say Delta is "REQUIRED" to offer buyouts ?
 
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Sent to me from an honorable who chose to go back to work after the strike.

Delta is planning on moving MD-90 check work in MSP back to Atlanta causing new hires the wonderful option of uprooting their family and relocating down there for work. Sound familiar? Talk about history repeating itself. Plus, delta has given up bays 1,2 3 on the old c-side hangars. Really sounds like a large scale back in work. Sounds like MAC is lining up some regional carriers to lease the abandoned hangars.

This is the same tactic that was previously used by Richard and the gang. I wonder if they (the affected workers) have the same exercise of seniority rights that we had under the AMFA?
 
Sent to me from an honorable who chose to go back to work after the strike.



This is the same tactic that was previously used by Richard and the gang. I wonder if they (the affected workers) have the same exercise of seniority rights that we had under the AMFA?
If DL was indeed cutting MSP, then there should be some type of evidence to support it... and that should be brought forward... but let's look at other parts of what you wrote to hold it to the truth test.
Did DL not actually SWAP 3 bays at MSP for other bays, supposedly in part so they could have the capability to handle larger aircraft? The details of what actually was retained are more than a tad important.
Did DL replace the M90 work w/ something else and were those mechanics given the opportunity to do that work?
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If DL actually did hire a bunch of mechanics and then level them to ATL w/ no chance of staying in ATL, then yes that would be bone-headed - but we haven't seen evidence of that.
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Richard Anderson, IIRC, was not at NW when during the AMFA episode which did more to decimate airline maintenance in the midwest than any other action.
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We'll let the facts speak for themselves, even if others find it hard to present the facts I present, even if some people don't know how to use the sources I cite.
 
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