National Cargo 747 crashes in Bagram, not for the faint of heart!

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  1. 700UW

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  2. Glenn Quagmire

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    Damn. I have ex NWA freinds in the business. My prayers are with the family and freinds of the 7 who perished.
     
  3. robbedagain

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    my prayers n thoughts to the entire 7 and their entire families may the 7 rip

    wonder what could have caused him to rock side to side and go almost flat down
     
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  4. 700UW

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    Has to be a cargo shift.
     
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    My nephew is stationed there, he heard the explosion, and was sent out to take pictures. Horrific crash.
     
  6. Claxon

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    What makes you so sure?
     
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  7. LD3

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    FO was ex Mesa... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=109_1367415720
     
  8. Claxon

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    A tragedy in all regards. But also look at the video. Those clouds look ominous to say the least. Most large transport aircraft pilots encountering wild shear are trained to maintain existing configuration in a windshear event.That may possibly be a clue, maybe not. The gear is still down. To say it is a cargo shift and end the discussion is ridiculous.
     
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  9. 700UW

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    Guess you havent read any of the news reports where the leading cause is Cargo Shift, not wind shear (edited)
     
  10. Claxon

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    Ok, I misspelled on an I pad. Wind shear. And if the news reports say the cargo shifted I immediately discount them as knowing anything.
    I see a heavy 747 taking off with wild looking clouds all around it, and the gear is still down as is taught in wind shear recovery. A strong possibility. Maybe the cargo shifted during a windshear event. Maybe it was not anything I mentioned.
    A tragedy in all senses.
     
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  11. luvthe9

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    Did you ever fly a simulator in wind shear training? I have heard numerous pilots exclaim "that was some wild shear!"
     
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  12. Claxon

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    Look at the clouds behind the jet
     
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  13. eolesen

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    Could be shear, unsecured cargo seems just as likely, or it could also have been cargo loaded incorrectly, like this accident in MIA:

    http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19970807-0
     
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    I dunno... To me, that looks like more an effect of the dash cam than actual wx phenomena???
     
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  15. N617P

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    Very sorry for the loss of these airman. My thoughts and prayers go out to their families.
     
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    http://avherald.com/h?article=46183bb4&opt=0
     
  17. 700UW

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    Well look here:

    [background=#ffffc0]On Jun 2nd 2013 accident investigators by the Ministry of Transport and Civil Aviation of Afghanistan reported in a press conference that quickly shifting cargo, consisting of three armored vehicles and two mine sweepers totalling at 80 tons of weight, caused the accident. The cargo slammed so hard at the back of the aircraft, that parts of the aircraft separated and wiring in the back was severed. As result of the shift and loss of aircraft parts the center of gravity moved so far back, that the attitude of the aircraft could no longer be controlled, the nose of the aircraft rose beyond the flying envelope of the aircraft and the aircraft stalled destroying the aircraft and killing all crew in the resulting impact. Parts of the aircraft, that separated as result of the initial load shift, were recovered from the runway. The straps used to tie down the cargo were recovered from the accident site, although charred they provided evidence of having fractured before final impact, it was unclear however, whether the fracture(s) had happened before or after takeoff.[/background]

    [background=#ffffc0]The FAA had released a Safety Alert for Operators on May 20th 2013 regarding securing heavy vehicles in aircraft, see News: FAA concerned about potential safety impact of carrying and restraining heavy vehicle special cargo loads.[/background]
     
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