PilotAction US Airways & American Airlines Trial & Other News Update

snapthis · Nov 5, 2013

end_of_alpa said:
Anything is possible in this merger. AMR/US Airways could spin PHX to Indigo, include them in one world and open code share at a later date. It would give Franke a low cost in with Frontier and AWA gates combined to give SWA and Alaska fits out West and would solve a lot of the East/West frictional problems here. Let's hope that occurs.

Anything is possible in your fantasy world.

I don't think Holder and the DJ really care about East/West frictional problems as you describe them. They care about DCA.

"On Monday, the U.S. attorney general Eric Holder said that the government would be fine with settling with the airline companies if they agree to give up on some take-off and landing spots in several airports including Reagan National at the nation's capital."

Claxon · Nov 5, 2013

The 1000 city pairs concern brought about by the DOJ is BS. It is all down to slots at DCA. The DOJ and USAirways will break off talks this week or the middle of next week and go to court. USAirways and American will hold the employees hostage, the DOJ will not allow this kind of blackmail.

The DOJ warned the powers to be that DCA is a line in the sand before their official anouncement of their fight of the merger, they will not blink.

It is financially more advantagous for the airlines to remain seperate, that will be the result while blaming each other.

Claxon · Nov 5, 2013

"It is very suprising to hear Mr. Holder talk about the case before the court date. A lot of people predicted that the government would be negotiating with the airline companies for a solution before the court date, but no one really expected the government to be vocal about it."

Too good to be true Mr. financial genius, if you were so smart you would not be authoring a news colum weekly.

Eric Holder just wanted to broadcast the fact that they were open to talking, in advace of the break in talks. Mr. Holder knows that there will be a lot of "financial gods of wisdom" licking their wounds for promoting and buying a BK stock.

Greed is not always good in the airline industry. Former CEO, Stephen Wolf, guided UAL and USAirways to a merger? Shame, how soon you greedy bastards forget, talk to Mr Buffet about it.

.http://seekingalpha.com/article/1808142-did-american-airlines-and-us-airways-get-a-green-light-to-merge?source=yahoo

im back..!! · Nov 5, 2013

traderjake said:
My hope is to see the guys who keep me from getting a pay raise retire on LOA93.

i hope to see the proposed seniority integration...since frontier is junior to most all the west...

letys see them slot, better not even mention date of hire...lol

oh, no....slott those 3-5 year captains at frontier rt in above the west f/o's...
they will be f/o's forever behind a guy younger than them.....LMFAO

USA320Pilot · Nov 5, 2013

[SIZE=12pt]PilotAction Merger News for US Airways & American Airlines #3: November 1, 2013[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Look for a Nov. 25 Settlement in the US Airways/AMR Merger Case[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]This is not to say that the Justice Department will negotiate easily. [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]But it's become clear that not a single person in the United States wants a trial. Not the Justice Department or the airlines, all of whom have too much to lose, and not the judge who seems to be raising the possibility that if a trial occurs, the parties might be in the courtroom the day before Thanksgiving and perhaps the day after as well. Judges tend to be busy people. They always want cases to settle, and they can be very convincing.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]http://www.thestreet.com/story/12095200/2/look-for-a-nov-25-settlement-in-the-us-airwaysamr-merger-case.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]American Airlines and US Airways oppose a separate filing by US Airways pilots[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/american-airlines-and-us-airways-oppose-a-separate-filing-by-us-airways-pilots.html/[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]To save merger, US Air, American may seek changes at Reagan National[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/11/05/5305604/to-save-merger-us-air-american.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Did American Airlines And US Airways Get A Green Light To Merge?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] http://seekingalpha.com/article/1808142-did-american-airlines-and-us-airways-get-a-green-light-to-merge?source=yahoo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]US Airways sees jump in traffic but key revenue figure rises just 1 percent, more empty seats[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-airways-says-revenue-figure-150409254.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]American passengers will get to use electronic devices starting on Monday afternoon[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2013/11/american-passengers-will-get-to-use-electronic-devices-starting-on-monday-afternoon.html[/SIZE]

USA320Pilot · Nov 6, 2013

PilotAction Merger News for US Airways & American Airlines: November 6, 2013

[SIZE=10pt]JPMorgan Downgrades AMR Corp as Upside as Odds of Merger Settlement Grow[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Given recent settlement momentum, we are comfortable nudging our earlier 60% probability to the 70-75% range.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] http://blogs.barrons.com/stockstowatchtoday/2013/11/06/jpmorgan-downgrades-amr-corp-as-upside-as-odds-of-merger-settlement-grow/?mod=yahoobarrons&ru=yahoo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]US Airways price target raised to $30 from $24 at Imperial Capital[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Imperial Capital raised its price target for US Airways to $30 saying the Department of Justice settlement demands is unlikely to prevent a deal.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-airways-price-target-raised-104314744.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Jim Cramer: Buy US Airways[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]US Airways Group, Inc.[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] - Jim Cramer ranked this stock a buy. Cramer previously ranked this stock a Buy on October 18, 2013. The stock’s 52-week high is $23.90, and its 52-week low is $11.52. Cramer was again a fan of US Airways, saying that there was a lot of upside to a potential merger between the company and American Airlines. Cramer said that he could see the stock going as high as $30 were the merger to materialize.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See story:[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/jim-cramer-buy-us-airways-petrobras-and-these-2-stocks.html/?ref=YF[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Judge lets US Airways pilot union file its own brief (but don’t be redundant)[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/judge-lets-us-airways-pilot-union-file-its-own-brief-but-dont-be-redundant.html/[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]US Airways fined $1.2 million for wheelchair complaints[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story:[/SIZE] [SIZE=10pt]http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2013/11/04/4439708/us-airways-fined-12-million-for.html#.UnqEWnCmgjY[/SIZE]

im back..!! · Nov 6, 2013

snapthis said:
Anything is possible in your fantasy world.

I don't think Holder and the DJ really care about East/West frictional problems as you describe them. They care about DCA.

"On Monday, the U.S. attorney general Eric Holder said that the government would be fine with settling with the airline companies if they agree to give up on some take-off and landing spots in several airports including Reagan National at the nation's capital."

You are correct. The DOJ never mentioned 1000 city pairs... I guess some easties just made that up?

Just out of curriosity, say the sale of the west was done. What would the west position be on a seniority list integration with Frontier?

Remember, Frontier is a relatively new seniority group,.... Soo, I would assume a 3 year capt at Frontier would go behind a 30 year west capt and so on.
But what about a 3 year captain being in front of a 10 year f/o on the west? and how will the west f/o's with 10 years feel about being slotted behind 3 year captains, much less 3 year f/o's from Frontier?

I mean, you do know how slotting works? Dont"cha?

Theoretically, with slotting and continouse mergers, a f/o could never move up.... or didnt you ever think that scenerio ?

767one · Nov 7, 2013

PilotAction Merger News for US Airways & American Airlines #3: November 1, 2013

Look for a Nov. 25 Settlement in the US Airways/AMR Merger Case

This is not to say that the Justice Department will negotiate easily. But it's become clear that not a single person in the United States wants a trial. Not the Justice Department or the airlines, all of whom have too much to lose, and not the judge who seems to be raising the possibility that if a trial occurs, the parties might be in the courtroom the day before Thanksgiving and perhaps the day after as well. Judges tend to be busy people. They always want cases to settle, and they can be very convincing.

See Story: http://www.thestreet.com/story/12095200/2/look-for-a-nov-25-settlement-in-the-us-airwaysamr-merger-case.html

American Airlines and US Airways oppose a separate filing by US Airways pilots

See Story: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/american-airlines-and-us-airways-oppose-a-separate-filing-by-us-airways-pilots.html/

To save merger, US Air, American may seek changes at Reagan National

See Story: http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/11/05/5305604/to-save-merger-us-air-american.html

Did American Airlines And US Airways Get A Green Light To Merge?

See Story: http://seekingalpha.com/article/1808142-did-american-airlines-and-us-airways-get-a-green-light-to-merge?source=yahoo

US Airways sees jump in traffic but key revenue figure rises just 1 percent, more empty seats

See Story: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-airways-says-revenue-figure-150409254.html

American passengers will get to use electronic devices starting on Monday afternoon

See Story: http://blogs.star-telegram.com/sky_talk/2013/11/american-passengers-will-get-to-use-electronic-devices-starting-on-monday-afternoon.html

"Not a single person wants this case to go to trial"? I would say that's a rather broad statement. Similar to you stating that EVERY employee of American and US should support this merger but you forget about those thousands (if not tens of thousands) of employees who will lose their jobs. Sometimes you remind me of rainman talking about Kmart. Obsessive compulsive for sure.

All the best,

Bob

FWAAA · Nov 7, 2013

767one said:
"Not a single person wants this case to go to trial"? I would say that's a rather broad statement. Similar to you stating that EVERY employee of American and US should support this merger but you forget about those thousands (if not tens of thousands) of employees who will lose their jobs. Sometimes you remind me of rainman talking about Kmart. Obsessive compulsive for sure.

To be fair, that statement was from Ted Reed, the media whore-merger cheerleader, not Chip, the pilot-merger-cheerleader. Chip's failure to properly use the quote function or even put the paragraph in quotation marks made it more difficult for everyone to realize that. But as he's posted before, he's very busy as he posts this same material to half a dozen different websites.

Beancounter · Nov 7, 2013

im back..!! said:
You are correct. The DOJ never mentioned 1000 city pairs... I guess some easties just made that up?

Just out of curriosity, say the sale of the west was done. What would the west position be on a seniority list integration with Frontier?

Remember, Frontier is a relatively new seniority group,.... Soo, I would assume a 3 year capt at Frontier would go behind a 30 year west capt and so on.
But what about a 3 year captain being in front of a 10 year f/o on the west? and how will the west f/o's with 10 years feel about being slotted behind 3 year captains, much less 3 year f/o's from Frontier?

I mean, you do know how slotting works? Dont"cha?

Theoretically, with slotting and continouse mergers, a f/o could never move up.... or didnt you ever think that scenerio ?

You can fear monger all you want, but you're still not getting DOH, the Nic precedent is still there and so is LOA93. Next time you're going to come up with a scare tactic at least get the facts right, that way it won't sound like complete desperate BS.

Bean

Ignore engaged

USA320Pilot · Nov 7, 2013

[SIZE=10pt]http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/...554643263985-The-Investment-Doctor_origin.jpg[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]PilotAction Merger News for US Airways & American Airlines: November 7, 2013[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Which Airlines Are Making It Easier for the American-US Airways Merger?[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://wallstcheatsheet.com/stocks/which-airlines-are-making-it-easier-for-the-american-us-airways-merger.html/?ref=YF[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Allegiant says it can benefit from AMR-US Airways merger[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/allegiant-says-benefit-amr-us-175259130.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]US Airways Customers Can Now Use Personal Electronics During All Phases Of Flight[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-airways-customers-now-personal-130000126.html[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]AMR Antitrust Judge Limits Union Court Briefs[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The judge allowed the US Airways pilots to file eight pages, while telling them to exclude facts that won’t be in evidence at the antitrust trial set to start Nov. 25. If their arguments are the same, the pilots should join in the brief from the other unions, she said. [/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-11-07/amr-antitrust-judge-limits-union-court-briefs-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoohttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...union-court-briefs-bankruptcy.html?cmpid=yhoo[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Dallas/Fort Worth International Airport board backs American Airlines-US Airways merger[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://aviationblog.dallasnews.com/2013/11/dallasfort-worth-international-airport-board-backs-american-airlines-us-airways-merger.html/?nclick_check=1[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]A potential settlement clearing American/US Airways merger[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]See Story: http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/11/08/american-us-airways-merger-potential-settlement/[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]APA INFORMATION HOTLINE: November 5, 2013[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]This is APA Communications Director Gregg Overman with the APA Information Hotline for Tuesday, Nov. 5.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]APA BOARD OF DIRECTORS SPECIAL MEETING: The APA board of directors convened today at 1 p.m. Central at union headquarters in Fort Worth. In opening remarks, APA President Capt. Keith Wilson noted that the agenda for this week's special meeting will be primarily focused on developing goals for joint collective bargaining agreement (JCBA) negotiations. As a reminder, JCBA negotiations are contingent on the American Airlines–US Airways merger going forward. Capt. Wilson also noted the board would devote a portion of the meeting to discussing contingency strategies if the merger does not occur.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]APA Vice President (and former Negotiating Committee Chairman) First Officer Neil Roghair recapped the sequence of events that led to the JCBA process outlined in the Memorandum of Understanding (MOU). He reminded the board that the JCBA process with an arbitration backstop was the "price of admission" to the conditional labor agreement (CLA) between APA and US Airways management. That CLA, in turn, helped facilitate the proposed merger of the carriers.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The JCBA timeline stipulates negotiations will take place between management, the US Airline Pilots Association (representing US Airways pilots) and APA until the National Mediation Board certifies a single bargaining agent. Thirty days after single-carrier certification, absent a negotiated agreement, the JCBA will be sent to a panel of three arbitrators. Consistent with JCBA stipulations, the arbitrators would likewise be restricted from changing any scope provisions or improvements outlined in paragraph 24 of the MOU (now reflected in LOA 13-08[/SIZE]).

[SIZE=10pt]Vice President Roghair noted that as the airline begins operating under the new contract, management will increasingly become aware that certain issues will need to be addressed at the negotiating table. Examples are maintenance and engineering flying (flight test); Check Airmen flying; various scheduling, work rule and reserve issues; vacation bidding; and jumpseat.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Also this afternoon, the board received an executive-session briefing from Scope Committee Chairman First Officer Tim Hamel. The board then spent a portion of the afternoon organized into groups — with each group accompanied by a member of the Negotiating Committee — to help refine JCBA objectives.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]The board recessed at 5 p.m. and will reconvene tomorrow at 9 a.m. This week's meeting is scheduled through mid-day Thursday, Nov. 7.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=9pt]That's it for now. Thanks for checking this hotline.[/SIZE]

Beancounter · Nov 7, 2013

Beancounter said:
You can fear monger all you want, but you're still not getting DOH, the Nic precedent is still there and so is LOA93. Next time you're going to come up with a scare tactic at least get the facts right, that way it won't sound like complete desperate BS.

Bean

Ignore engaged

Oh no, I got a negative rating. Looks like somebody doesn't like reality. You know, if reality was a friend of yours maybe we wouldn't have blown millions of $$$ on lawyers. Here, look at the airport charts:

http://www.aspireaviation.com/2013/11/08/american-us-airways-merger-potential-settlement/

Wow, lots of PHX overlap in there, huh.

Bean

P.S. To the easties that aren't east holes, I'm not enjoying the thought of east coast divestitures. I'd prefer nothing had to be given up.

767one · Nov 7, 2013

To be fair, that statement was from Ted Reed, the media whore-merger cheerleader, not Chip, the pilot-merger-cheerleader. Chip's failure to properly use the quote function or even put the paragraph in quotation marks made it more difficult for everyone to realize that. But as he's posted before, he's very busy as he posts this same material to half a dozen different websites.

[quote name="FWAAA" post="1036210" timestamp="1383843554"
To be fair, that statement was from Ted Reed, the media whore-merger cheerleader, not Chip, the pilot-merger-cheerleader. Chip's failure to properly use the quote function or even put the paragraph in quotation marks made it more difficult for everyone to realize that. But as he's posted before, he's very busy as he posts this same material to half a dozen different websites.Thanks for the info on Ted Reed however the CM did state in a post that EVERY AA and LCC employee should support the merger. Every, always,never are statements that usually turn out to be false.

All the best,

Bob, captain of the Belarus (tractor)

AANOTOK · Nov 7, 2013

Oops careful, if you support the merger and make it public, you may be a whore...especially by some of those who do not support it. Personally, I would prefer to be known as a "Gigolo" if possible. Just sounds cleaner!

snapthis · Nov 8, 2013

im back..!! said:
You are correct. The DOJ never mentioned 1000 city pairs... I guess some easties just made that up?

Just out of curriosity, say the sale of the west was done. What would the west position be on a seniority list integration with Frontier?

Remember, Frontier is a relatively new seniority group,.... Soo, I would assume a 3 year capt at Frontier would go behind a 30 year west capt and so on.
But what about a 3 year captain being in front of a 10 year f/o on the west? and how will the west f/o's with 10 years feel about being slotted behind 3 year captains, much less 3 year f/o's from Frontier?

I mean, you do know how slotting works? Dont"cha?

Theoretically, with slotting and continouse mergers, a f/o could never move up.... or didnt you ever think that scenerio ?

If you want to debate pilot seniority join us in the pilot forums. I'm not taking the bait.

Did Westies make this up?

Slots

Sell the 8 Washington Reagan slot pairs that JetBlue currently leases from American to JetBlue at a price approved by the DOJ
Divest an additional 37 slot pairs at Washington Reagan to the federal government for the DOT and/or DOJ to redistribute as they see fit.
Divest 10 slot pairs at New York LaGuardia to the federal government for the DOT and/or DOJ to redistribute as they see fit
Sell to Virgin America the 15 slots (7.5 slot pairs) that Virgin America currently leases from American at a price approved by the DOJ

Gates
The following gates would be available for use by competing airlines under a common-use scheme. The merged carrier would be allowed to continue using these gates when not requested by other airlines.

Relinquish access to Americans gates on Terminal Bs Pier 2 at Washington Reagan along with the slot divestiture
Relinquish access to US Airways five gates at Terminal 2 of Chicago OHare and make available five gates at Terminal 3, Concourse G
Relinquish access to Terminal A-East at Philadelphia
Give up Americans gates at Concourse A at Charlotte, and make available 5 gates on Concourse B
Relinquish access to gates at Terminal 3 at Los Angeles, and give up the rights to 2 of the 4 new gates granted to American at the new Tom Bradley International Terminal

^^^^^^^Where does it say anything about Phoenix? ^^^^^^^^

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