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Plane skids off runway at LaGuardia
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Until the final report comes in, it does no good to place blame on anyone...
As for the NTSB wanting to look over the airports snow plan and methodology, the FAA is the agency that signs off on the snow plan, we do a presentation to local ATC, we give them our preferred equipment routing and plan of action. Whether we go to a liquid operation followed by a solid operation or solid then liquid, it all depends on what's on the ground and what is forecasted. We do a braking action after we are done working a runway, those numbers are relayed to the big tower and then the runway is inspected and released.. Once we get a nil breaking report from a flight crew the runway is closed until numbers are brought back up...
As for the NTSB wanting to look over the airports snow plan and methodology, the FAA is the agency that signs off on the snow plan, we do a presentation to local ATC, we give them our preferred equipment routing and plan of action. Whether we go to a liquid operation followed by a solid operation or solid then liquid, it all depends on what's on the ground and what is forecasted. We do a braking action after we are done working a runway, those numbers are relayed to the big tower and then the runway is inspected and released.. Once we get a nil breaking report from a flight crew the runway is closed until numbers are brought back up...
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LD3 is correct that it doesn't do any good to place blame until after the investigation, but if the NTSB is releasing the EPR setting information, then that part of the investigation is complete.
And no, it doesn't appear that "the pilots' aspect of the landing was per DL safety and training" unless DL's safety and training ignores the manufacturer's recommendations on max EPR for both a clean as well as a contaminated runway.
All pilots are fallible. Even DL pilots.
And no, it doesn't appear that "the pilots' aspect of the landing was per DL safety and training" unless DL's safety and training ignores the manufacturer's recommendations on max EPR for both a clean as well as a contaminated runway.
All pilots are fallible. Even DL pilots.
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That was my point E. Any number of factors could have led to the high EPR on the engines.
Of course we had one, only one, here who decided to make a stupid statement that everything Delta had done was "textbook".
having done powerbacks in the Super 80, I know it is a learned skill to keep the EPR low while lifting the thrust levers. Of course I did not do it every day like the professional Delta MD80 pilots do.
I do know rigging them is a challenge that takes experience. Knob split can add to the challenge of keeping both engines at equal thrust. Doing it while landing in a snowstorm on a contaminated runway is where those guys earn their pay.
Of course we had one, only one, here who decided to make a stupid statement that everything Delta had done was "textbook".
having done powerbacks in the Super 80, I know it is a learned skill to keep the EPR low while lifting the thrust levers. Of course I did not do it every day like the professional Delta MD80 pilots do.
I do know rigging them is a challenge that takes experience. Knob split can add to the challenge of keeping both engines at equal thrust. Doing it while landing in a snowstorm on a contaminated runway is where those guys earn their pay.
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a lot of people here might be surprised to find I agree with you.
It appears that the focus on the EPR information in the NTSB's latest report provides indications of where they think the final report will go.
It isn't a surprise that the NTSB is looking in more depth at runway conditions and process to maintain it but it is a surprise that they are looking at the emergency evacuation. Not sure where it will go but maybe they will take on the issue of what passengers carry off of aircraft in emergency evacuations... among other issues.
as for powerbacks, I don't think DL has ever done them but EA did along with other carriers. I watched a catering truck get blown over by a powerback.
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For winter ops, I believe Ops uses a Bowmonk, for rubber removal Field Maintenance uses a skiddometer for rubber removal friction testing.Kev3188 said:
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The flight crew (pilots & FAs both) along with employees from the ramp/gate/maintenance that assisted with this incident were presented with awards yesterday for their efforts.
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