no, see you want to believe that DL doesn't listen to its employees and imposes its own will regardless of what the employees want... and that is CATEGORICALLY wrong. DL DOES listen to its employees and provides compensation and benefits programs based on those desires. You can say that process is not negotiating but DL employees DO sit in the same room with company management regarding compensation issues and do fill out surveys and forms saying what matters. Further, DL has DUAL processes that work similarly - for unionized workers and for non-union workers. The unionized workers participate in the same surveys - but the contractual issues are part of the union's responsibility. You don't want to believe the process works without a union because if you acknowledge it does, then the labor movement has no value. I got news for you, buddy. There are companies that do listen to their employees, the employees do provide input regarding compensation issues, and the company even goes so far as to help determine priorities. That is NO DIFFERENT than what a union does with its members before it goes before the company. The company just happens to do the process DIRECTLY with its employees. You are seriously out of touch if you can't grasp that the world works in more ways than just the ones you place your faith in. The mere fact that the labor movement continues to shrink and whatever gains the labor movement has made are being undone should say that American workers place less and less faith in the ability of the labor movement to deliver what American workers and their families need. And lest I remind you, airlines have pretty well done whatever they want with their labor contracts over the past 10 years, ripping them up AT WILL and rewriting them in whatever form the airlines have wanted. Now, even government worker employment contracts are pretty well meaningless in terms of providing the protection that the unions have promised they would provide.