The Jesus Gun

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  1. SparrowHawk

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    I'm sorry but what exactly is "Hate Speech"?

    Is it hate speech when you call fundamentalist Christians "Anti Gay, Homophobic fascists" or does someone have to advocate the extermination of a people based on faith?

    Aww if it's the second one then almost every muslim cleric who has ever muttered the word "Infidel" should be rounded up and prosecuted under hate speech laws as killing the infidels would be you and I folks.

    Oh and while I'm still good and hissed off at the non stop Christian bashing just who is the arbiter of what constitutes "Hate Speech"? Is Obama going to have a "Hate Speech Czar"? Heck why not go all in and create a "Thought Czar" too! Should we lock up all of the Blacks, Jews, Polish, Irish, Italians and such for telling jokes based upon stereotypes of their particular ethnicity or race? Anybody who has ever been in the company of a particular group knows that if you want a funny Italian joke ask some who is Italian.

    Could this little rant be considered "Haye Speech"? I thought we only had one kind of speech in this country and that was FREE SPEECH!. I musta missed a memo.

    Well the gun is clean so now I guess I'll go read the Bible and wait for the next bashing of Christianity by those who offer only the bloated government as the answer to all things woeful and inadequate.
     
  2. joanne

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  3. SparrowHawk

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    OK and what is it I'm supposed to see?

    I see people engaged in seeking God and doing as they believe their God instructs them. Is it my brand or flavor of Christianity? Not likely as I'm not terribly evangelical.

    You know it's kinda like my position on Abortion which can be boiled down to a Bumper Sticker friendly size.

    Don't Believe In Abortion? DON'T HAVE ONE

    For me the same goes for religion

    Don't Like Buddism? DON'T Become a Monk!

    Don't like Jesus? Don't go to church?

    It really is that simple.
     
  4. Garfield1966

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    Seems that you have no problem painting with that broad brush you accused me of using. I am am pretty dam liberal and not a single line of that little ditty applies to me. For the record I consider my self a social liberal and a fiscal conservative for the most part.

    Some hate speech is obvious. Someone who advocates the death or injury of others based on race, religion, sexual preference or any other association.

    Calling someone a "Anti Gay, Homophobic fascists" is protected speech as far as I am aware. Advocating the death of all "Anti Gay, Homophobic fascists" I think could qualify as hate speech.

    I think most of what the anti-PC folks bring up as examples are non-issues used to strike fear in the the hearts of their followers. You can pretty much call anyone anything you want with out legal ramifications. Social ramifications are quite another thing. Imus crossed the social line but not the legal line.

    I think it is hilarious that christians feel picked on when 76% of the US is christian.. How exactly does that work? Is it still bashing when christians bash some of there own?
     
  5. SparrowHawk

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    Please provide us with a link or quote showing EXACTLY where Hate speech is defined and prohibited in the COTUS? Beyond a few cases before the Supremes, in particular the Holme fire in a crowded theater and Powell's I can't define pornography but I know it when I see it there been few rulings that even support the notion of Hate Speech much less codify it.

    Imus IMO crossed no line. He made what he felt was a joke and some folks didn't like it so well. I say TOUGH SH*T grow up and get over your bad self. You know I live not so far from NYC and I can tell you that the station that broadcasts Imus isn't the only one. In fact I think there are 50 or 60 options.

    How about the tired old anti semitic arguement that "Jews Control The Media" as a reason for the non stop Christian bashing? Why is it OK to bash so called "Right Wing Christians" but God forbid anyone mention that roughly 14% of the US population occupies 80% of the prison cells is not?

    We have created what are "Preferred Minority's" in this country whether we like to admit so or not. Couple that with the PC crowd and we have yet another example of our civil liberties be taken from us by an overzealous federal government bent on destruction of our Freedoms.

    I'll be back later my Rifle needs a hug :lol:
     
  6. Garfield1966

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    Pretty sure it's not in the COTUS. I am also pretty sure that shouting "Fire" in a crowded room is not covered (although I might have missed it. Let me know if you find it in there) in the COTUS either but it is illegal.

    I think advocating the death of another violates the duty of the governments duty to protect the public.


    His industry is a private industry funded by public sponsors. He pissed off a lot of people who raised a stink. Enough stink and sponsors (money) start to leave. Tht is the line he crossed. Enough people made a big enough stink and he got spanked by the almighty dollar.

    Not sure what bashing right wingers has to do with minorities getting a bad shake fro the legal system? And where do the jews ho control the media come in? I'm afraid I don't understand this one.

    Yea, I know. God forbid that people expect to be treated as equal to the white christian ruling class that has ruled for so long. WASP's have never been segregated, never been told who they can/can't marry. Never been owned. Never been persecuted (in the US). Never been burned at the stake.

    What civil liberties have been taken away from you by the PC crowd?

    Enjoy your gun or what ever. I'll stick with a book.
     
  7. Tug McGroin

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    Reference please or it’s just another paranoid Atheist moron conspiracy theory.
     
  8. SparrowHawk

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    I'm not looking it up. However Garfield is correct that "in God We Trust" was added during the cold war as part of the campaign against "Godless Communists"
     
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  10. Tug McGroin

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    I looked it up before I posted the challenge.

    US Treasury

    Wikipedia

    Just can’t find that “Godless Communistsâ€￾ reference.
     
  11. Garfield1966

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    Since you are to lazy to study your own history....


    God and the Commies

    Looks like you did find it after all. Oops
     
  12. Garfield1966

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    DoD did all but tell them to remove it. Them doing it first was them doing the right thing because they were busted cold.

    Whether they admited it or not does not matter. If the DoD says we don't like your ID code because it 'appears as a religious reference' you have an issue. If the DoD says either removed or we find a new contractor then you have an decision to make. The buy makes the rules of what they want, not the seller. Nothing goes to court as it is not COTUS issue. It's a we want this and either you make or we will find someone else who will.

    DoD bought the B1 and you are questioning that they did not see tiny ref codes on the sight? Are you kidding me? They buy weapon systems that don't work or that go massively over budget. B1, Sgt York gun, SDI, to name a few.

    Don't know about the rest but I have no interest in using any tax dollars on any religious item. The problem seems to be the door was opened when the chapels were built.

    The terrorists have about as much in common with islam as Pat roberts has with christianity which is to say not a lick. You can fight them with your guns and ammo all you want an you will never win. There has been war in the region for thousands of years. The only way this war will be won is economically. When the day comes that we tell them to go suck on their oil because we do not need it any more then we will win the war. As of right now, every time you and I put fuel in our tanks, we are funding the bad guys.

    Perhaps the ACLU will go after threats and intimidation but right now they seem to have their hands full protecting christians rights to freedom of religion.

    List of cases filed by the ACLU
     
  13. joanne

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    What are you suppose to see ???

    Well for starters, how about a "form" of Child Abuse ??

    For Gods sake, some of those kids in the documentary are about 5 YEARS OLD, and there talking about BEING SAVED.
    Please !!
    Give me a break !!

    Even "Massage " Ted Haggard thought it was over the top.
     
  14. SparrowHawk

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    Who exactly are you to question anyone's faith? EVER?

    Who cares what others think? I'm not real partial to Serpent Handlers, however I respect their method of worship. In a way it's kinda tough not to when you meet a person who has been bitten 386 times by poisonous serpents i.e Rattlesnakes, coral snakes and such and the b*stard is still alive and kickin'

    If you think Christians don't speak for you or to you then don't be one or worship with one. It's a right that is guaranteed by God hisself why not exercise it?
     
  15. southwind

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    Parents raise THEIR children as THEY see fit and you call it child abuse !

    What do you call the following video involving a government school employee ? :blink:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8oRMdysIeU
     

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