The Pitfalls Of Outsourcing

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  1. chilokie1

    chilokie1 Senior

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    As a 30 year employee of AA I'am safe to say that our aircraft maintenance dept. is not
    perfect, nobody's is. But as we morph into the "New American Airlines" whose business
    plan includes outsourcing many of the jobs we used to do in house, I feel the real costs
    or total costs are not being reported on the bottom line.
    Not all but many of the parts we receive need to be sent back to the vender for rework,
    sure it is up to that vender to pay for the rework (at least I hope it is) but it is up to AA to
    pay for the downtime of that part (by leasing parts, engines, etc etc).
    My reasoning for this topic is a way for us to inform each other of the problems they see
    and maybe even get the attention of AA that maybe one managers spending decrease
    costs another manager to increase his costs or having missed gates or cancelled flights.

    Here is an example, today in dock 2D at TULE a B737 sits because the vender who painted
    it (old LAA aircraft) left the paint stripper on too long and damaged the aluminum skin. It is
    possible the aircraft will need to be scrapped, sure the venders insurance will cover the damage.
    But will the cost of the downtime be added to the cost of outsourcing that job? What is the
    cost of a 737 sitting on the ground per day?
     
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  2. AA89

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    The vendor should be responsible for ALL lost income as well as the aircraft loss.
     
  3. AA89

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    When AFW was closing I asked Jim Ream what the cost savings was in closing AFW and sending that work to HAECO. He said 30% including fuel, post overhaul rework and lost revenue from increased down time. I doubt there was ever any proof of that required in Bankruptcy Court and I doubt the union has any way of disputing that now. Management wanted it gone so it went away. No accountability needed.
     
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  4. chilokie1

    chilokie1 Senior

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    I doubt those numbers are even close to reality, my point was
    that this airline is so big that the problems that outsourcing can
    cause ripples through the system so that the original reason for
    the delays could be lost later in the day.

    But also let me say that some vendors are outstanding, like the
    company that does the warranty work on LAA's V2500 engines.
    I did not want to sound like I'am against outsourcing for personal
    job security, I just have seen too many new problems that has
    arisen from outsourcing. And I firmly beleive that if an airline has
    a large fleet type (like our 737's) and a good knowledgable management
    team & then add the value of controlling your own fleet..............
    It is a no brainer.
     
  5. UPNAWAY

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    I am not sure why so many in MX want to do things like paint or all the Heavy Checks. You are more valuable focusing on the day to day MX opperations and Reliability issues like ECOs and MODS.
     
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  6. 1AA

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    Because it is part of our job description.
     
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  7. chilokie1

    chilokie1 Senior

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    That statement is so stupid on so many levels that I have no answer. o_O
     
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  8. AA89

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    I'm hoping you are just being sarcastic and parroting the similar comment the woman made at the townhall about reassigning mechanics from taxi duties to "mechanic" duties. Just dumb...
     
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  9. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    There seems to be a lot of competition around here for that sort of thing. :) Ms. Tree by far was the king of the stupids.
     
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  10. UPNAWAY

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    Well that was a bit exagerated (to make a point I guess) but repair is completed, only some minor blending not even a major repair or EA required.
     
  11. chilokie1

    chilokie1 Senior

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    Why would they fly it back to Tulsa if they originally thought it was nothing? Was it just
    a giant pissing contest between the vendors engineers and AA's engineers? Probably,
    But the fact remains, a 737 sat in the hanger gathering dust for two weeks because of
    the venders mistake
     
  12. bob@las-AA

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    But at the end of the day......who gives a flying F
     
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  13. BeechDriver

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    Quite a few of us actually. Throughout our careers we overall mechanics were expected to to produce aircraft in a timely manner with excellent reliability. Downtime was stressed as a bad thing. An aircraft sitting on the ground was not making money. With the new mentality that we have inherited with our new usair leadership the old values seem to have been thrown out. A more laxidasical attitude towards accomplishing aircraft maintenance has now taken effect. It was only a few years ago that our services were considered valuable. The new leadership has managed our productivity and efficiency down to the level of an organization that could be considered somewhat irrelevant.
     
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  14. chilokie1

    chilokie1 Senior

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    Are you that big of an meat head ? Go smash a few bags but try not to
    damage the equipment in the process !
     
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  15. AA89

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    Feed the strays and they keep coming back....
     
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  16. Rogallo

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    You don't have to feed 'em, you just gotta have food!
     
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    I couldn't agree more Beech!
     
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  18. La Li Lu Le Lo

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    Did you expect a spark of intelligence from a washed out electrician? In the TWU he found a job he could not fail at and could not get fired from.

    TWU is a s**t magnet for the incompetent and the lazy. He is just one of the many turds clogging up the place.
     

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