Tulsa /Airbus

paul1

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What's the deal, I here all of Tulsa is completing the basic gem fam course. What is the reason for this ? Is it because you are losing the md80 line. Have you heard any plans for doing b checks or something. Sounds strange to train all these guys. You guys are training on all 3 shifts? For airbus?

some insight please!! Does AA think the iam guys are going to vote down the t/a?
 
First of all AA cant work on US airbus overhaul, its contractual PMUS work.

Second of all nothing changes if the IAM votes the CBA down.

Third, the B-check on the bus is a line function.
 
The Bus gets a C1 through C12 check before it gets its S-Check on a 5 to 6 year basis depending on when it was built.
 
700UW said:
First of all AA cant work on US airbus overhaul, its contractual PMUS work.

Second of all nothing changes if the IAM votes the CBA down.

Third, the B-check on the bus is a line function.
 
The Bus gets a C1 through C12 check before it gets its S-Check on a 5 to 6 year basis depending on when it was built.
Which may or not change once the SOC is achieved.
Don't forget that AA ordered airbus, so it's not only USAir jets out there anymore.
 
Yes, ALL MD80 support are going to Airbus class. Yes, MD80s will be retiring in the future.
No, they haven't come right out and said whether the training would be for lites, heavys or drop-ins.
As far as the IAM question .. I have no idea. I don't work for US and don't plan on being in the IAM
 
Flying low said:
Which may or not change once the SOC is achieved.
Don't forget that AA ordered airbus, so it's not only USAir jets out there anymore.
Contractually as long as there are two Operating Certificates and two CBA, AA cant overhaul US' planes yet and vice versa.
 
And I think you are confusing the SOC (Single Operating Certificate) which is given by the FAA which isnt going to happen to next year and the SCS (Single Carrier Status) which is done by the NMB.
 
For example at US the PMHP and PMUS couldnt fly each others planes as they didnt have a JCBA even though they were under the same union, with two different CBAs and one Single Operating Certificate.
 
Why not? It will be just like farming out the work to a third party. Think about it for a minute.
AA farms out heavies and USAir farms out heavies. So why not farm out each others heavies? What is to stop AA from taking over USAir third parties heavies? Please do not tell me it is contractual because AA has figured out successfully how to work around contractual issues. That is why there is a grievance process. By the time the grievance gets entertained so much time will have passed.
 
Because both airlines have merged and before either can do heavy maintenance on each other's planes there has to be one maintenance program.
 
Been through this all ready with HP and US merger, and the US and PI merger.
 
Because AA doesnt overhaul A330s and has no maintenance program for it, and US' 767 are being retired soon.
 
And US doesnt farmout all heavies, some are done in-house still, depending on the schedule in CLT Heavy.
 
You forget it isnt AA anymore, it US management running the new AA and we have prevailed in court and arbitration against US in regards to farmouts before.
 
700UW said:
Because both airlines have merged and before either can do heavy maintenance on each other's planes there has to be one maintenance program.
 
Been through this all ready with HP and US merger, and the US and PI merger.
 
Because AA doesnt overhaul A330s and has no maintenance program for it, and US' 767 are being retired soon.
 
And US doesnt farmout all heavies, some are done in-house still, depending on the schedule in CLT Heavy.
 
You forget it isnt AA anymore, it US management running the new AA and we have prevailed in court and arbitration against US in regards to farmouts before.
WE? you mean you are USAir? LOL
 
Wow can you hear that? Listen.......
 
Someone pounding their chest.
Did you help create the roman aqueducts too?
Did you help out in writing the Constitution of the United States of America?
 
Please tell us more of your accomplishments as a stores clerk at USAir before you left.
 
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One's classification has nothing to do with one's education, knowledge, experience and skills.
 
But keep up the elitist attitude.
 
700UW said:
Because both airlines have merged and before either can do heavy maintenance on each other's planes there has to be one maintenance program.
 
Been through this all ready with HP and US merger, and the US and PI merger.
 
Because AA doesnt overhaul A330s and has no maintenance program for it, and US' 767 are being retired soon.
 
And US doesnt farmout all heavies, some are done in-house still, depending on the schedule in CLT Heavy.
 
You forget it isnt AA anymore, it US management running the new AA and we have prevailed in court and arbitration against US in regards to farmouts before.
There was work done on each other's fleet prior to one Mx program. The same will happen this time around too. Can't speak for any heavy, but line work was definitely done on east by west, and on west by east.
 
700UW said:
First of all AA cant work on US airbus overhaul, its contractual PMUS work.

Second of all nothing changes if the IAM votes the CBA down.

Third, the B-check on the bus is a line function.
 
The Bus gets a C1 through C12 check before it gets its S-Check on a 5 to 6 year basis depending on when it was built.
Wrong, I know of a certain B check being done at a so called maintenance base. Parkers cronies are in charge now. If you don't like it, grieve it we've been told.
 
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1AA said:
Why not? It will be just like farming out the work to a third party. Think about it for a minute.
AA farms out heavies and USAir farms out heavies. So why not farm out each others heavies? What is to stop AA from taking over USAir third parties heavies? Please do not tell me it is contractual because AA has figured out successfully how to work around contractual issues. That is why there is a grievance process. By the time the grievance gets entertained so much time will have passed.
 
AA people are working on US aircraft and vice versa already on the line. We treat each others aircraft like we are working as a contractor for the other. Therefore any work that is done by each other is treated as outsourced work under each others CBA scope clause. That being said both sides are limited on how much work they do under those clauses. I don't know why management would want to outsource work to a higher labor cost area than a TIMCO or AAR though.
 
Under AA's current maintenance program the first C is due every 24 months. TUL is probably gearing up for that work.