twu international unaccountable

Ken MacTiernan

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The medium income for the top 2% of wage earners is $250,000. The TWU, which railed against the 2 percenters at Occupy Rallies, currently has 4 workers earning over $250,000 a year:

Jim Little $262,702
Harry Lombardo $255,454
Joe Gordon $255,454
David Rosen $254,632

Furthermore, the $159,619 medium income of the top 5% is exceeded by 28 TWU International officers and employees. This, as the TWU membership is dead last in the industry.
 
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Wow, no snide comments from the twu faithful? overspeed, anamoly, cio, etc?

Don't worry about these guys ever having to live under a concessionary contract as they are appointed and unaccountable. The opposite is true with AMFA ELECTED officers both at the National and Local levels.

GO AMFA!
 
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Wow, no snide comments from the twu faithful? overspeed, anamoly, cio, etc?

Don't worry about these guys ever having to live under a concessionary contract as they are appointed and unaccountable. The opposite is true with AMFA ELECTED officers both at the National and Local levels.

GO AMFA!
Ken who held OV accountable when AMFA gave up on 15,000 dues paying members? No one but he got a hefty $500K raise in 2004 then left the union. Nice.
 
Out of those 15,000 so called members how many were from airlines that went out of business or were merged/acquired?

TWA gave up its members (IAM) to the TWU.
IAM lost members to AMFA at UAL.
AMFA lost to IBT.
The list goes on and on.
So what is your point?
 
Out of those 15,000 so called members how many were from airlines that went out of business or were merged/acquired?

TWA gave up its members (IAM) to the TWU.
IAM lost members to AMFA at UAL.
AMFA lost to IBT.
The list goes on and on.
So what is your point?
Two fold.

AMFA represented over 18,000 in 2004. They lost UA which accounts for about 5,000, the remaining 13,000 were NWA and AS members. AMFA gave up any drive at DL because they weren't interested in the craft union either after they merged with NW which at that time AMFA represented only 900 by that time. At AS they gave up half of the AMT work force (OAK Base). At UA they gave up the remaining airframe overhaul and component AMT jobs then got booted in favor of the IBT. The point is OV got $500K to lose 13,000 jobs. Current AMFA president Louie Key gets paid $125K to represent 2,700 members. Jim Little gets paid $260K to represent 115,000 members.

The top three people Ken mentioned are elected. They are elected by delegates you and many other TWU members elect locally. Your local officers are usually the delegates. David Rosen is an attorney on staff for the TWU and that is a job where the union should hire, not elect.
 
Two fold.

AMFA represented over 18,000 in 2004. They lost UA which accounts for about 5,000, the remaining 13,000 were NWA and AS members. AMFA gave up any drive at DL because they weren't interested in the craft union either after they merged with NW which at that time AMFA represented only 900 by that time. At AS they gave up half of the AMT work force (OAK Base). At UA they gave up the remaining airframe overhaul and component AMT jobs then got booted in favor of the IBT. The point is OV got $500K to lose 13,000 jobs. Current AMFA president Louie Key gets paid $125K to represent 2,700 members. Jim Little gets paid $260K to represent 115,000 members.

The top three people Ken mentioned are elected. They are elected by delegates you and many other TWU members elect locally. Your local officers are usually the delegates. David Rosen is an attorney on staff for the TWU and that is a job where the union should hire, not elect.

underspeed,

I notice that you attack AMFA, but you do not DEFEND the twu.

Says a lot, doesn't it?

You simply want to hang on to your little sucky job working for the twu.

Notice I said working for the twu NOT working for AA.

You probably worked a grand total of 6 months for AA!
 
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You say OV got $500,000 to lose 13,000 jobs. OK so how much did Jim Little get for one concessionary contract after another? FIGHT LIKE HELL? Really? Stop throwing stones.
Do you think you can answer DNTULSA question on how to defend the TWU and its members as a craft union like AMFA does? The members are speaking out by signing AMFA cards. Some are even signing IBT cards. That speaks volumes. Now you want one super local for the line stations because you lost control of the voting power. You slam the line stations and build up Tulsa. Tulsa is all you can control but they are coming around to your dictatorship ways of telling us what is best for the membership.
Fight Like Hell until 5 million reasons came into play. Then it was you better vote this in or it will be worse. Now come on and defend the actions of the TWU instead of bashing AMFA and putting down the members.
 
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Two fold.

AMFA represented over 18,000 in 2004. They lost UA which accounts for about 5,000, the remaining 13,000 were NWA and AS members. AMFA gave up any drive at DL because they weren't interested in the craft union either after they merged with NW which at that time AMFA represented only 900 by that time. At AS they gave up half of the AMT work force (OAK Base). At UA they gave up the remaining airframe overhaul and component AMT jobs then got booted in favor of the IBT. The point is OV got $500K to lose 13,000 jobs. Current AMFA president Louie Key gets paid $125K to represent 2,700 members. Jim Little gets paid $260K to represent 115,000 members.

The top three people Ken mentioned are elected. They are elected by delegates you and many other TWU members elect locally. Your local officers are usually the delegates. David Rosen is an attorney on staff for the TWU and that is a job where the union should hire, not elect.

Hey Don,

Put down the cigar it is affecting your ability to see the truth. The twu form of democracy is bullshit! Delegates elect officers and NOT the membership? That isn't democracy. I want AMTs electing people who will fight for our craft NOT peddle concessionary contracts. So every delegate at the twu national convention, aka drunk fest, which includes taxi drivers and casino dealers have a "say" on who international officers are. That's not what AMFA is about and that scares the crap out of alias using, twu loving supporters.

Go AMFA!
 
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Hey Don,

Put down the cigar it is affecting your ability to see the truth. The twu form of democracy is bullshit! Delegates elect officers and NOT the membership? That isn't democracy. I want AMTs electing people who will fight for our craft NOT peddle concessionary contracts. So every delegate at the twu national convention, aka drunk fest, which includes taxi drivers and casino dealers have a "say" on who international officers are. That's not what AMFA is about and that scares the crap out of alias using, twu loving supporters.

Go AMFA!

One of the Major things that scares the crap out people about AMFA is people like you with the reputation Expected Bad Decisions pushing said Union. You know if someone such as yourself is pushing so hard for something with the decision making abilities you possess, there has to be a pure crap hidden lining lurking.
 
Current AMFA president Louie Key gets paid $125K to represent 2,700 members. Jim Little gets paid $260K to represent 115,000 members.

So let me get this right. You are saying that a Union President should get paid more if they have more members? So if some guy forms a union where they have a million members earning minimum wage he deserves a higher paycheck than say the President of the pilots Union where the members make well over the minimum wage?

You are saying the salary of the President should be based upon how many people pay dues and not based upon how succusful the Union is at maximizing pay and benefits?

Why do you think people want to join unions? I always though it was for better pay and benefits, you seem to think of unions as a sort of Ponzi scheme.

You are basically saying that our labor becomes a commodity for the benefit of the President and that he should profit by having more members and its OK to make getting more members the goal instead of having the members get more.




The top three people Ken mentioned are elected. They are elected by delegates you and many other TWU members elect locally. Your local officers are usually the delegates. David Rosen is an attorney on staff for the TWU and that is a job where the union should hire, not elect.

If you had left it at that you would have made a valid counter point, the other crap about how many members the union has being used to determine the pay of a Union President was just dumb and reveals your Business Unionist mentality. Justifying substandard contracts with the goal of maximizing the number of dues payers at the expense of pay and benefits for the members is not why people join unions, or why people would keep a union, maximizing dues payers at the expense of pay and benefits for the dues payers to enhance the pay and benefits for top union officials is unethical, immoral and destructive to the movement. People who think that way do not belong in the labor movement.
 
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Justifying substandard contracts with the goal of maximizing the number of dues payers at the expense of pay and benefits for the members is not why people join unions, or why people would keep a union, maximizing dues payers at the expense of pay and benefits for the dues payers to enhance the pay and benefits for top union officials is unethical, immoral and destructive to the movement. People who think that way do not belong in the labor movement.

Bob, isn't this how the IAM operates?

Josh
 
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Jim Little gets paid $260K to represent 115,000 members.

You can knock about 10,000 of those members off because he didn't represent title I at AA in the least!!
 
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