Union elections and the RLA....POLL!

Discussion in 'Delta Air Lines' started by jalbalpa, Sep 28, 2009.

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Should union elections under the RLA be like every other election where you can vote YES/NO and the

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  1. BABABOOY

    BABABOOY Veteran

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    You just didn't get what I said, at least Boeing Boy got it an I have a feeling
    Mr. Luke will as well. As far as a wink? That is suppose to be a smile. I say
    what I mean and mean what I say. I also try to keep with the "K.I.S.S" method.
    no several pages back and forth.
     
  2. Dignity

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    well you are a Flight Attendant correct?

    and I have appreciated what some have done in the past, keyword here is some.

    I do not support "your" tactics that will create a negative working environment be it you are involved with our situation or not.

    of course we could have had an election six months ago, wait a minute! if that is the case why was the request pulled?

    it would have been the best situation for our group, Flight Attendant to resolve representational issues so we can
    either move forward securing a contract in a period of negotiations if that is the groups wishes.

    it is always going to be Management's fault?

    I am not going to worry about voting for officers anymore, because I am not supporting who you want to represent us.

    I am not blaming the co-workers, I am blaming the system that does not work.

    If you have not witnessed what happens with AFA..(since you state you are not a dues paying member), I would appreciate trying to see it from a perspective from those who have a clue what they are talking about.
     
  3. Dignity

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    well I am one in the group who was directly affected by what happened the last time.. being a member with
    an "Anti AFA" in "AFA Union" positions.

    So!

    I am going to take that comment a little differently rather than,

    You, Luke and some pilot from another airline and non-dues paying individuals who does not have any idea
    what we went though!

    yes, you, do.

    now that is crystal clear. ;)

    :hugs:
     
  4. jalbalpa

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    I didnt' blame management...I said it would have been to their advantage.

    Let me ask you something.

    If you were in the housing market and you knew that salex tax was going down in January and that you would receive a $5,000 tax credit if you purchased after January....would you but your home now just because you want to move into a new house now...or would you wait a few months and take advantage of what is being offered so that perhaps your mortgage is lower and it would benefit your family in the long run?

    I am not supporting any individual, I am supporting collective bargaining and the structure that comes along with it.

    Can you go a little more into detail with this?

    I mean, as far as I look at it...the members are the ones that have voted in every LEC officers to date. If you don't like how someone is running a council then have them recalled. Its happening at America West in PHX...

    But please tell me what part of the system you think doesn't work...
     
  5. jalbalpa

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    You have an anti-AFA LEC President at NWA right now...and from what I have heard she is a waste.

    I think that there are people at Delta that are currently not voting who could make great leaders in our union, i think many people will embrace the change once its all said and done.

    You might as well be part of the solution...


    There will be elections at every DL base, and some NW bases when its all over with...if you don't take part of the process Dig....I don't want to hear you bit**ing about it on here!!!
     
  6. Dignity

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    jalbalpa,

    are you a DL/NW Flight Attendant and will be directly involved in our situation?

    or

    are you a paid organizer/activist, bystander, general union supporter, that is not
    directly involved in our situation?
     
  7. jalbalpa

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    I am a DL/NW flight attendant who supports union representation.
     
  8. BABABOOY

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    Some insight:

    The situation where I would get involved with the AFA on a local level
    would to make it better not divide. It's like the OBL position and why
    I decided to go into it. It wasn't so I could hold better (most time I can't)
    but because there were several out there who were terrible and I knew I could do a better job.
    So instead up complaining I decided to apply. I know I can make a positive difference
    on each flight. I believe the same would be true IF the AFA comes onto the property.
    I can't sit/fly around complaining about them but not be involved to try and change
    what I don't like. And as far as paying dues? I couldn't imagine ethically NOT paying them.
    I wouldn't like it, but to me its not right to not pay. But I digress, I don't think I will have to start "campaigning" anytime soon, or worry about that . I think we will be AFA free by this summer.
     
  9. Dignity

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    I fully support the majority decision regardless if I supported it or not! I have always
    done what was the right thing to do for the group when they have made their decision!

    however!

    I also believe what is the right thing to do.. based on a situation right in front of me and foreseeable conclusions, and I am
    going on that at this time.

    Jal,

    let me explain something!

    I want us to move forward and have an election and resolve issues timely.

    there would be no "bit**ing" as you put it (is it possible its caring?)

    had the Union addressed what is needing to be accomplished,
    when they are suppose to!
     
  10. Dignity

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    I am a DL/NW Flight Attendant who supports DL/NW Flight Attendants.
     
  11. Dignity

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    Good luck.

    some people are just "needing improvement" does not make them terrible!

    I believe you will try and make a positive difference.

    Good luck trying to change anything, why do you think some of us are trying to
    tell you all the deal?

    it will never be OK not to pay dues, there is simply no excuse.

    we have to have an election first, whenever year that is planned to happen.
     
  12. jalbalpa

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    ...then don't throw the baby out with the bath water!



    Btw: I would still ike to know what about the system you think isn't working.
     
  13. LukeAisleWalker

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    GREAT post!
    Except the last part:)
    Also, you had mentioned this going to the Supreme Court. I wouldn't be so sure this will go as far as the Supreme Court. A lot has changed since 1934 so the Plaintiffs would really have to have their ducks in a row IF, and I mean IF the Supremes chose to hear it and I don't think they would. If Delta takes it to court, then we will know for sure that moving the merger along to gain "synergies" is truly a bunch of bull-oney. Can we say "cross-fleeting",separate crews for at least the next 5 years....hello???

    As for the rest of this thread, it reminds me of the movie "As Good As It Gets" when Jack Nicholson answers the door and says "if you're sellin' crazy, we're full up."
    In closing, as long as I'm doing movie lines, here's one from Meryl Streep in "The Devil Wears Prada"..........."That's all."
     
  14. Dignity

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    :stupid:

    I dont know if that is considered a movie quote?
     
  15. Dignity

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    "I'll tell you one thing: Don't ever give anybody your best advice, because they're not going to follow it."
    - Jack Nicholson.
     

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