US Pilots Labor Discussion

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  1. Richard

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    Here is the long overdue new Pilots' Labor thread...
     
  2. jetjok1

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    Well,

    this Leonidas October handout is interesting......and expensive..... to say the least. Im curious...........how did you get my home address?
     
  3. nic4us

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    Do they have phone books where you live?
     
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  4. Pi brat

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    I just got my brochure a few minutes ago when I got home. What a great greeting after a long day at the office.

    My name and address is not in any phone book. I thought it must be an old list from the ALPA days, but I didn't live here then. Current west reps maybe?
     
  5. cleardirect

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    Typical east behavior.You guys get information. But instead of learning from it you all instead worry about how it got to you. You guys can not avoid the truth your whole lives.

    On here and other sites all I see is complaints that you are trying to be education. But no one has refuted the information.

    What will we see from usapa? Some spin campaign telling you all don't look behind the curtain. That the information must be false because it is not what your leaders have been telling you and it sure does not comply with what the crew room rumors say.

    Read and understand people. The truth will set you free.
     
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  6. Pi brat

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    Typical west behavior, run their mouth about things not said. I don't see a single post pro or con about what was in the mailing, just someone wondering how they got their address and how much it must have cost. Those were my thoughts as it is very professionally done, I've never had any mailing from AOL before, and I always wonder how my address makes it on the many things that appear in my mailbox.

    I haven't read it yet. I thought I would wait until I wasn't tired and really try to see what they were saying before making a judgment about it. I guess I don't need to, I just need to realize that it contains the whole truth and nothing but the truth and let AOL lead me to the promised land.
     
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  7. Metroyet

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    No kidding. USAPA extorts money from the West, refuses to let the reps communicate with their pilots free of censorship, they control every scrap of info, what they do release is filled with half truths, misdirection and our right lies, and they refuse to implement a message board where the free flowing of ideas and opinion can be expressed. IOW, they're a fascist dictatorship.

    One single mailing that wasn't first sanitized and authorized from the dear leader and these guys have a hissy fit. What's wrong? Don't like the truth hitting you on your doorstep? Afraid the Wife might read it and find out what a waste of time, MONEY, and effort this whole thing has been?

    They got your address the same way JC Penny, and the hundreds of thousands of other retailers did. It's readily available.

    Also, it probably was expensive...and yet they did it. Does that indicate any financial turmoil? No. AOL has plenty of cash to take the fight wherever they need to.
     
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  8. Freighterguynow

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    UAL Mec Chmn message:

    Also, a member of the CAL-MEC issued an ultimatum – never the best approach to doing business -- to the United MEC that if there was no agreement that included pay banding suitable to the CAL-MEC, the CAL-MEC was content to wait for years without a JCBA until the United MEC relented
     
  9. Pi brat

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    ????????????????? What hissy fit? As I said, and you have completely ignored, there is no hissy fit. This board is the first I heard about the mailing until I got it in the mail. I didn't hear anything about it at work. Nobody burning them in the crew rooms, nobody picketing and nobody saying AOL got it right...........nothing. I really didn't spend any time in the crew room, but here was no smoke or noise coming from the door!

    You west guys just flat out make things up. Has it been too quiet on here and you feel the need to stir things up again?

    After I've read it I will give you an honest assessment, as best I can being an unethical, ignorant, hillbilly eastie.
     
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  10. Metroyet

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    In fairness, I wasn't referring to you specifically. I had one of your colleagues in mind...he wants to resurrect the RICO suit because he received the pamphlet. He certain it rises to the level of Organized Crime. :lol: :lol:
     
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  11. BoeingBoy

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    Oh, there is some of that in some parts of the East pilot group. Calls for an investigation, pursuit of invasion of privacy charges, returning the mailing to "them" unopened or conversely keeping it as evidence in any prosecution, USAPA supposedly looking into the source of the address list, charges that the company was the source.

    I'm like you - I get plenty of unsolicited mailings but don't waste the time wondering about any "how" or "why". Just consider it the cost of having an address.

    Jim
     
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  12. Pi brat

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    You know you're right? I will never get those 5 seconds I wasted wondering how AOL got a mailing list of east pilot addresses back.

    I'm sure there are some east pilots upset with this mailing, just like there are west pilots that get upset with the mention of USAPA, much less mail from them. It's just telling to me that nobody on here has had a negative reaction to the pamphlet(yet-mine is kind of yeah, but you failed to mention this.........more on that later), yet the westies are screaming that the east won't listen. So, is there a need to transfer form other forums to here?
     
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  13. nic4us

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    I for one look forward to your honest assessment. I have not seen the brochure yet, and think it would be interesting to get your take before I see it and draw my own conclusions.

    The hissy fit is in reference to other webboards. There are east posters throwing stuff out there like starting another RICO lawsuit, investigating the West usapa reps etc. etc.. over this mailing.

    example:How did those low lifes get every east pilot's address? There will be more on that - count on it.... RICO might just finally have come home to roost.

    Thank you very much to the low life AOL folks for making this possible - what a gift!

    (Flyunder @ flightinfo.com)

    And that one is tame, compared to some of the other stuff this poster put out there.

    Another:Well said! Low life westies slithering on there bellies trying to snake our upgrades. God I hope someone from AOL gets RICO filed against them! Total low lifes. The whole profession knows there story and how there the bottom of the barrel. (St. Nic @ flightinfo.com)

    The ironic part is, someone from AOL already had RICO charges filed against them, those charges were dismissed with prejudice, and upheld on appeal. usapa opens that can of worms and they will get their heads handed to them, while the defendants take their wallet.
     
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  14. luvthe9

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    This is why we all have to remember.......KEEP THE DONATIONS COMING!
     
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  15. Phoenix

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    Funny, ALPA told us voting could never set us free.

     
  16. traderjake

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    Or the USAPA case, KEEP THOSE EXTORTION CHECKS coming or you'll get a Section 29 letter.
     
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  17. Pi brat

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    The people that do not do what is a requirement of employment get S29 letters. I wonder, has anyone actually been fired? Was it not the same with ALPA?
     
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  18. Pi brat

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    This should get some conversation moving, From the Iron Compass:

    ALPA Agrees with USAPA on Non-Nicolau Seniority Option

    As many of you may recall, litigation brought by a group of East pilots who previously flew for MidAtlantic is currently pending against ALPA before a federal court in the Eastern District of New York. In that matter, referred to as the Naugler case, the plaintiffs have alleged that ALPA knew of, and stipulated to, the introduction of an erroneous seniority list during the Nicolau arbitration proceedings.

    Interestingly enough, ALPA has moved for summary judgment, and its current leading argument is that the case is not ripe for adjudication. ALPA, in furtherance of its ripeness argument, cites the Ninth Circuit’s Addington decision to support its assertion that "implementation of a CBA that does not include the Arbitration Board’s merged list would not necessarily be a breach of USAPA’s DFR." The importance of this admission cannot be overlooked. ALPA, the Union whose internal merger policy created the Nicolau Award, has now recognized in a federal court filing that not only is USAPA free to bargain towards a single CBA without Nicolau, but the non-inclusion of Nicolau in any future CBA does not automatically constitute a breach of USAPA’s duty of fair representation.

    This comment can be found in ALPA’s reply brief in support of its motion for summary judgment (Docket 118 in the Naugler litigation, found in USAPA's Legal Library on the website).

    B)

    That AOL pamphlet is still staring me in the face............
     
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  19. Crzipilot

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    Not for nothing, didn't a west pilot recently marry a senior executive vice president of People and Communications? Wasn't said pilot that married Sr. VP also ex alpa? Hmmmmm
     
  20. Ames

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    Yes, he's a great guy, has done a lot for the west pilot group and for alpa. He's just a spectator now so what's your point?
     
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