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KCFlyer said:
Trump and the Republicans gave corporations a huge tax cut, and the promised that this would create jobs and increase pay.

And again...I was responding to a post about "help wanted " signs all over town...proof positive that jobs are being created.
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Then why are we having this conversation?

KCFlyer said:
But I've never seen a "help wanted" sign posted outside a Fortune 500 company. I've never seen a "help wanted" sign in front of an auto plant or steel mill.
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How is that any different than any point in your life? Most companies that offer great pay and benefits don't have to put out a help wanted sign, they don't need to. People come to them. There is also the fact that internet job boards are a much more efficient way to reach a wide number of applicants.

Fortune 500 companies? What does that have to do with anything?

Perhaps you should narrow that down.

Walmart is a Fortune 500 company. I see people bash them on this forum all the time. Though I feel Walmart actually offers a lot of opportunity for those with ambition.

How about Amazon? They are a Fortune 500 company. They are known to be a huge employer of illegal immigrants (provided by temp services of course). They are actually very abusive to the temporary workers in their distribution warehouses. That is how they can ship you a product in 2 days.

How about McDonald's? They are a Fortune 500 company.

How about Icahn Enterprises? That is a Fortune 500 company to. Though I would say they are more in the business of putting more people OUT of work.

How about Whirlpool? They are a Fortune 500 company. A company in my town that is notorious for turn and churn temporary employment.

How about Dish Network? They use "contractors" to provide installation in people's homes instead of using people on payroll.

How about American Airlines? They use temporary employees for ramp duties. I think we can both agree there are a host of issues with that regarding quality and public safety.

Point is just because a company is a Fortune 500 company does not mean they pay rank and file employees well or don't make liberal use of "contractors" or temporary help.

KCFlyer said:
And I believe that the people in Michigan and Ohio who voted for Trump based on his promise of jobs were thinking more along the lines of the jobs that they lost - you know, they guy who was being paid $75 per hour to put a bumper on a car (he never was paid that btw) and not a $12 an hour job as a fry cook at a fast food restaurant.
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You know about a year before they shut down Fleet Service in TULE I tried to encourage my coworkers to go to school, seek training for another career, or start working on finding another job. I could see the writing on the wall. Most of them just chose to sit there and let the axe fall. Then after that axe fell they were in panic mode trying to figure out what they were going to do when they had bills representative of a 21 dollar an hour lifestyle (because they loaded themselves up with debt) on a 12 dollar an hour income. I tried to tell them and they would not listen. Most of them either lost their jobs and took lower paying work or transferred (probably part time) to a high cost of living area like Miami. I am sure most of those people working in Michigan knew the axe was falling. However instead of taking steps to devise what I call an "exit plan" they just sit there and did nothing. Hard to have sympathy for people like that. I am sure there ARE good jobs available in Michigan and Ohio but you have to be willing to invest in yourself to get them.

I did not prosper after American Airlines solely because I was lucky. I did so because I took steps to put myself in a position to do so.

I certainly did not expect someone to wave a magic wand and create another airline job for me.
 
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delldude said:
Ahem......Market was closed when He left.


Most are offering 10-12 and on up...some with minimum group healthcare.....you want a Cadillac, go to the right dealer.....spare me your socialist BS.
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Could not have said it better myself.

delldude said:
Please no waa waa about autoworkers busing tables....union wages and you have to take out a mortgage to buy a new car??
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Truth. I rented a Ford truck for a trip. The list price on the truck was over 60K.
 
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Just as American went into bankruptcy just to abrogate the pilot and flight attendant contracts and to freeze the retirement plans, other Fortune 500 companies are busy looking for employee benefits they can get rid of (but keep for the executives). They are all using what I call the Wal-Mart Human Resources model. Remember when most all of Wal-Marts "full-time" employees got paid for only 39 hours each week. That was because the law (Arkansas state law, I think) required that if an employee worked 40 hours or more on a scheduled basis and the company was over a certain level of total employees, the company was required to provide health and retirement plans. Wal-Mart was, of course way over the minimum number of employees.

Just a few years ago, Wal-Mart got in trouble with the Feds because they were taking out whole life insurance policies on every employee, but the beneficiary of the policy was Wal-Mart. I think they were called Dead Peasants policies in the industry. It is a legal practice only if the employee agrees to
it, but the employees didn't have a clue about the program.

There are very few companies in the Fortune 500 that have truly benevolent HR systems. La Li Lu Le Lo, you were forward thinking in your attempt to get people to learn a new skill and create a "parachute" career path. I tried on several occasions to get fellow flight attendants to consider some sort of training not connected to the airline business. I had about the same results as you did. When one considers Pan Am, Braniff, TWA, et al you would think that people really understood that no airline is "guaranteed for life."

Addendum 1: @Insp4...EASTERN, of course. I knew there was one other major that I couldn't think of to save me. Considering that I grew up in Birmingham, AL, I should have remembered the time when to fly you took Delta or Eastern and flew to Atlanta. Regardless of what your destination was, the 1st step was Eastern or Delta to Atlanta.

Addendum 2: @La Li Lu Le Lo. I have to admit I had a step ahead. Flight Attendant was my 5th (and final) career. I had to do a LOT of self-teaching to make those changes. See note to insp4 above for another airline to add to the list of gone, but not forgotten airlines that we all thought were too big to fail.
 
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jimntx said:
There are very few companies in the Fortune 500 that have truly benevolent HR systems."
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No HR department with ANY entity, private, government, large or small is "benevolent". A gal I was dating worked at a place where they at least had the decency to call it what it is - "Employer advantage".

HR never has been and never will be there for an actual human.
 
jimntx said:
Just as American went into bankruptcy just to abrogate the pilot and flight attendant contracts and to freeze the retirement plans, other Fortune 500 companies are busy looking for employee benefits they can get rid of (but keep for the executives). They are all using what I call the Wal-Mart Human Resources model. Remember when most all of Wal-Marts "full-time" employees got paid for only 39 hours each week. That was because the law (Arkansas state law, I think) required that if an employee worked 40 hours or more on a scheduled basis and the company was over a certain level of total employees, the company was required to provide health and retirement plans. Wal-Mart was, of course way over the minimum number of employees.

Just a few years ago, Wal-Mart got in trouble with the Feds because they were taking out whole life insurance policies on every employee, but the beneficiary of the policy was Wal-Mart. I think they were called Dead Peasants policies in the industry. It is a legal practice only if the employee agrees to
it, but the employees didn't have a clue about the program.

There are very few companies in the Fortune 500 that have truly benevolent HR systems. La Li Lu Le Lo, you were forward thinking in your attempt to get people to learn a new skill and create a "parachute" career path. I tried on several occasions to get fellow flight attendants to consider some sort of training not connected to the airline business. I had about the same results as you did. When one considers Pan Am, Braniff, TWA, et al you would think that people really understood that no airline is "guaranteed for life."
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Here's one area, where Jimmy and I agree. That's one of the reasons I've steered my Son ( licensed A&P) away from the Airline Industry. ..... By the way Jim, you forgot "Eastern Airlines"!
 
jimntx said:
La Li Lu Le Lo, you were forward thinking in your attempt to get people to learn a new skill and create a "parachute" career path. I tried on several occasions to get fellow flight attendants to consider some sort of training not connected to the airline business. I had about the same results as you did.
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I appreciate your civility and recognition of that truth.
 
xUT said:
Now THAT is hilarious...:D:p:eek:
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xUT said:
Trumpets wouldn't know the truth if it hit them in the face...:eek:
Just like your master liar in chief.:eek:
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You have a unique gift for making pointless post with no actual content or communication.

Dog Wonder would be proud.

Can you communicate actual information or at least not parrot platitudes? Is that possible?
 
La Li Lu Le Lo said:
You have a unique gift for making pointless post with no actual content or communication.

Dog Wonder would be proud.

Can you communicate actual information or at least not parrot platitudes? Is that possible?
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You're killing me here...:D:D:D
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Why should I have standards above our POTUS and you Trumpettes?
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