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Nov/Dec 2013 Pilot Discussion


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HOW is that NIC thingie working? What has it been, seven 7 years or something?
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HOW is that NIC thingie working? What has it been, seven 7 years or something?

  
How is DOH and LOA 93 working out for you?
 
7 years of low pay.
 
There is a price to pay for being a cheat.
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How is DOH and LOA 93 working out for you?
 
7 years of low pay.
 
There is a price to pay for being a cheat.

No cheat. Simply a legal maneuver. One you knew was a possibility but stupidly pushed your luck. You tried to cheat fate and got flamed.
Line cutters usually do get punched out.
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No cheat. Simply a legal maneuver. One you knew was a possibility but stupidly pushed your luck. You tried to cheat fate and got flamed.
Line cutters usually do get punched out.

You cheated a process.

USAPA is to unionism is what Lance Armstrong is to the Tour de France.

Line cutters get taken to court.
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One other thing...about being punched out....

I'd put my money on JJ, he's in a lot better shape than Flounder.
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HOW is that NIC thingie working? What has it been, seven 7 years or something?

 

Have you thanked Doug Parker, APA , and Gary Hummel for the 33% MOU pay raise?


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You cheated a process.

USAPA in unionism is what Lance Armstrong is to the Tour de France.

Line cutters get taken to court.

You should have read the rules before deciding to play. Time to move on.


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You cheated a process.
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USAPA is to unionism is what Lance Armstrong is to the Tour de France.

Line cutters get taken to court.

The "court" better act fast to stop us line cutters (although I don’t see it, you are in your line and I am in mine.)  And we did not "cheat," nor was this a Kobayashi maneuver. We did not change the rules in order to win, we simply enforced proper ALPA merger policy in lieu of Prater's pitiful inaction.

 

In order for YOU to win Silver will have to order us to hold a vote on the NIC, and somehow that vote will include a new contract. Good luck, your time runs out next Monday. Lance and I both have never won the Tour, but I can still ride in the next one. Heck, even the Nic is like Lance's wins. They occurred outside the approved process, thus were ruled null and void.

 

RR theorem in full play here lately.  Low pay, no DOH, less vacation, less time off, missed opportunities, lost integrity.  But no Nic.  RR


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RR theorem in full play here lately.  

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=T-crJKAfcHw

 

RR in pursuit of his theorem.


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How is DOH and LOA 93 working out for you?
 
7 years of low pay.
 
There is a price to pay for being a cheat.

I've been paid more than you the entire 7 year period.

 

And, since February, WAY more than you.  And all my east colleagues on similar equipment are now paid EXACTLY the same as you.

 

Life is good.

 

And, again, how is that Nic thingy going for you?


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Be sure to read the Hummel medical status discussion which is near the end.  I think that is why this BPR Update was never, nor will ever, be released through official channels.  

 

Although I have been a fairly loyal USAPA supporter, I am SUPER glad it will be going away.  Adminsitratively, it is a failed experiment.  Logistically, not so much.


 
 
 
 
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This Philadelphia BPR Update was originally scheduled to be sent to you a week ago, but for some mysterious reason has not been released by USAPA's leadership.  So, the PHL Reps have asked me to send this to you.  Please read and if you know a pilot not on this website, please send it to them.  This censorship of BPR information that you have a right to know and Gary Hummel doesn't like needs to stop.
 
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PHL Domicile Meeting Update

 

On 22 November 2013, a USAPA PHL Domicile meeting was held at the Clarion Hotel. The meeting was very well attended.

The agenda included updates from the Negotiating, Merger, Retirement and Insurance, Scheduling, FMLA and Grievance Committees.  There was also an update from PHL Chief Pilot Jim Corbusier. Following the presentations, several resolutions were offered by both the PHL Reps and from the members in attendance.

We came away very pleased with the exchange of ideas and the support of our pilots. There were significant Q&A’s after each presentation, which just made the meeting all that more informative. There was also a lively discussion between the pilots and USAPA President Gary Hummel regarding both the President’s current medical issues, as well as issues of trust between the Officers and the BPR. Also in the attendance were all three CLT Representatives: Chairman Bob Frear, and Vice Chairmen Courtney Borman and Ron Nelson.  We extend our thanks to these gentlemen for making the journey here to field questions and add perspective to the issues we are tackling.

Negotiating Committee (Dean Colello):

The following points were offered and discussed by Chairman Colello as they seemed to be the most important points currently of concern to our pilots:

-         Retro Pay Checks should be arriving on  30 Dec

-         $40 Million Distribution. Pilots should have received a letter to verify the projected dollar amount due. If a discrepancy is believed to exist, information has been provided for affected pilots to report discrepancies for the committee to review for accuracy and correct if warranted

-         Retro Pay, as well as the  $40 Million distribution will be subject to 25% tax withholdings

-         Dues will be collected on the Retro Pay, but not on the $40 Million Distribution

Merger Committee (Jess Pauley/Bob Davidson/Tom Kubic):

As the Merger Committee continues to prepare for the upcoming merger with APA, this Committee answered as many questions as possible both during and after the meeting. They attempted to clarify the process and procedure involved in the seniority integration, how Judge Silver’s upcoming ruling could/will affect the process, the possible lists that could be offered, guidelines to which they must adhere, as well as BPR and rank and file involvement.

It appeared many pilots expected a list had already been determined. It was explained, while many methodologies have been considered, it is premature to develop a list(s) this early in the process Further, this Committee informed the pilots they are not going into negotiations with APA blindly and are very well aware of their merger history.

Discussion then began over the McCaskill-Bond process, including upcoming efforts to reach an agreement prior to arbitration.  It was also explained that arbitration does not necessarily mean the entire solution would be a product of arbitration, leaving open the possibility that certain areas can be settled prior to arbitration and omitted from the process. It was also explained the primary rules regarding McCaskill-Bond reside in the phrase “Fair and Equitable,” but this is a subjective issue that must apply to both sides. Of note and possibly telegraphing the thinking of the arbitrators, it was suggested to read and understand the methodology utilized in the most recent arbitration with United/Continental.  In this ruling, weighted consideration was given to both length of service as well as category/class.

Pilots also want to know how the current three lists (APA, East pilots, West pilots) will be put together and in what order.  Again, as of this point, this has not been decided.  It is also important to note the Committee must adhere to our Constitution and Bylaws which require them to follow the principles of Date of Hire and any list they determine must meet these requirements and provide the best outcome for our pilots. The list must then be presented to the BPR for review and acceptance prior to being proposed. 

Finally, it was noted in order for them to be most effective, they must have flexibility to be able to review many methodologies and must have access to as much information as possible, to insure the best outcome possible. In this light, and due to the confidence the PHL BPR has in this Committee, a resolution was offered and passed unanimously to provide them this flexibility and access. This was deemed necessary because it has been discovered the Committee has at times, been micro managed and we have reason to believe has had important information intentionally withheld from them by the President of the Association. 

R+I Committee (Bud Nevers):

Bud presented a very good briefing and informed us of the cooperation he has received while working closely with his APA counterpart.  The most critical issue to our pilots involves the plan to roll all plans (both APA & USAPA) into a Pilot Only 401K; this appears to be the direction they are headed.  Another significant change is LTD benefits will be raised from 50% to 60% of earnings, and the offsets for various other forms of income will be eliminated (a welcome change for sure.)

FMLA (Jan Zweber)

Jan’s briefing on FLMA provided some very interesting information that should be heeded by all pilots. She reminded us FMLA is Federal law that allows an employee the flexibility necessary to accomplish tasks required in dealing with family situations. This encompasses a wide range of issues and applies to both the pilot as well as family members.  Several examples would include being available to transport an aged parent to a medical appointment, to caring for a spouse who suffers from migraine headaches.

Jan explained the Company is not happy with this program, and that’s due primarily to the fact they have no control over it. FMLA is not subject to their interpretation or anything in our contract, and is not limited to particular days of the year. Some of the other highlights of Jan’s briefing include:

-         Many pilots are eligible for FMLA but are not aware

-         FMLA does not expire, regardless of what the Company says

-         The Company is asking for information during enrollment they have no right to obtain. Talk to Jan to determine what pages in the package can be discarded.

-         Over 1,000 pilots are currently signed up

-         No days are excluded for FMLA use

-         You can use it for yourself. While in most cases you will be charged sick time, it is not treated the same as other sick time. Specifically, there is no 60 hr. annual limit and it’s not subject to any “attendance policy” limitations.

It is clear this is a very important program that many of us do not take advantage of. Your PHL BPR strongly suggests that if you believe you may have a qualifying situation, contact Jan Zweber for assistance.

Scheduling Committee (Les Edwards):  Les gave an update on the new rest rules. He also heard many pilots voice their displeasure with the massive change in the A320 pairing construction; specifically the significant increase in less commutable trips.

Grievance Committee (Dave Ciabattoni): Unfortunately, due to the late hour we had to cut Dave short, we apologize to Dave and promise to give him extra time during the next meeting. He did offer his concerns about the iPad User Policy that the company has insisted on, as well as a quick update on the status of the 3% debacle. Look for an upcoming Grievance Committee update for further information.

Chief Pilot (Jim Corbusier): Captain Corbusier spoke on many issues related to expected changes we may see in the near future, including:

-         Projected PHL airport expansion, including additional runway and taxiways to support larger aircraft

-         Centralized security screening planned between concourses B+C

-         New route planned to Edinburgh, Scotland

-         Hiring 20 pilots/month for the foreseeable future

After his presentation, pilots expressed issues of trust based on prior experience and indicated they are still waiting for the promised change in the Negative Corporate Culture. This led into a discussion over the iPad issue, which continued after he left.

At present, the Company has issued over 100 iPads to pilots on the E190, including probationary pilots. Several of these have been damaged as they have fallen out of the aircraft holders. During the question/answer session, Capt. Corbusier indicated the reason they cannot be permanently installed in the aircraft is due to the FAA requirement for each pilot to maintain a copy of various manuals. Unfortunately, we need to question this reasoning as we didn’t get a clarification on how it would be any different than it is right now, with pilots only having access to updated manuals on Wings, or through eLibrarian.

In any case, Jim also indicated the Company “will” be going to iPad utilization at some point in the future, and the current publications will be phased out in March. He also indicated the Company has, or is in the process of purchasing over 3,000 units. Until an acceptable agreement is in place, we suggest pilots delay accepting the device unless you are forced to do so by your chief pilot.

Discussion ensued due to the fact the Negotiating Committee has been tasked with developing an agreement with the Company to provide for particulars regarding the scope, operation, training, responsibility and liability of the iPad. In return, the Company has refused to provide an “agreement” but has provided a “policy.” It was noted to Captain Corbusier that based on the history of dealing with US Airways management, it is not unreasonable to insure our protections going forward and our pilots expressed a serious concern as to why the Company would be reluctant to sign such a document?   At this point the response is; the Company intends to deliver the iPads to those pilots who will accept it. If they do not accept them on Company terms, then they will be issued flight kits for the time being. He also indicated they have no intent to utilize these units for disciplinary purposes.

The following discussion continued after the Chief Pilot left the meeting:

The pilots feel our request is not unreasonable. In fact, it seems to be a silly reason to have to draw a line in the sand. From our perspective, since you want us to have them, and we are willing to learn to use them, why will you not sign an agreement similar to other airlines? Ask yourself, if the Company really doesn’t intend to use the device for discipline, then why do they refuse to agree to such language?

The pilots in attendance expressed a willingness to carry a flight kit until the Company begins making business decisions that make sense and do not put us in jeopardy. It seems much simpler to provide an acceptable agreement than to go to the ridiculous expense and trouble to provide the “threat” of making us carry a flight kit. Further, it was later noted by the Grievance Chairman that this technology is so new, the true measure of how it may be used going forward is still unknown, which makes an agreement even more important now, since a policy can be altered, added to, changed or modified without any pilot input .

We also know the Company can and will use our compliance or noncompliance as a measure of pilot unity and the implications of any decision must have strong pilot support.

As a final note on this issue, the Company has, for the time being, discontinued the issuance of IPads. The rational was the PHL and CLT reps “suggested” the iPads be stored in the Company distribution boxes when not being used until such an agreement can be reached.  Our thoughts were; since the Company originally indicated the newly installed cameras in the crew rooms were put in place to enhance “security” and not for the purpose of “spying” on the pilots, then it should be the most secure area in the terminal. To now tell us it is not secure is disturbing at best.

 

USAPA President Hummel’s medical status and recall:

Discussion continued on the ongoing issue of the Medical Status of the USAPA President. There were concerns expressed and discussion about his ability to meet the requirements of this stressful union position after not one, but two significant heart surgeries. While the President continually tells our pilots he is working “full time,” we cannot agree. The most obvious recent example was his inopportune absence in court last month, during the Addington Seniority/DFR lawsuit. This was perhaps the most critical day in USAPA’s history, and he was unable to provide needed testimony because he was following doctor’s orders. Unfortunately, his absence was not well received by the court, and it can only be perceived as detrimental to the enormous efforts of USAPA during this trial.

It’s important to note this discussion was necessary to address the numerous phone calls and letters to the BPR from fellow pilots who have had heart surgery or stints and felt not only concerned for his ability to fully function in his job, but that the President should not be treated differently than other union pilots with similar conditions. USAPA was formed with the intent that no pilot, regardless of status, should be treated any differently than any other pilot. To ensure this, USAPA’s Union Operating Manual (UOM) specifies that a pilot serving in this capacity must either be current and qualified or on MED Status; President Hummel is neither. To distract everyone from this obviously disqualifying situation, the President and his team say he is on AFB, which stands for ALPA Flight Business (ALPA's LOA 95 covers members on full-time flight pay loss). The problem here is AFB is a status that deals with compensation, and was never intended to determine or validate someone’s eligibility to hold office. Note that AFB is a leftover from ALPA; it was intended to streamline the compensation of pilots doing union work, but it was never intended to help maintain eligibility to do union work when a pilot was ineligible to fly. We think the UOM language is abundantly clear when it states a pilot must be current and qualified, or, be on MED status for a period of up to one year.

UOM Section 5, Compensation, III, Administration of Flight Pay Loss (FPL), states: All members claiming USAPA pay, other than those on sick leave/MED Status, will remain current and qualified on the aircraft which they currently hold. The President is attempting to cloud the issue by saying that if he is not allowed to continue in his position, then some Section 10 pilots (Check Airman and IP’s) who also do not possess a current medical will also be harmed. Nothing could be further from the truth. The issue only involves pilots performing full time union work under LOA 95 and has absolutely nothing to do with pilots covered under section 10. Don’t be fooled, this is nothing more than a red herring and an attempt confuse the issue.

One of the many ills of our past bargaining agent was the ability to be in a union position and never fly. Vice President and USAPA founding father Steve Bradford made it clear: USAPA was founded on the principle that you are a pilot first and not just a full time union employee. The current interpretation by our President is he can remain in his position and never fly again. We know from your feedback that the Philadelphia pilots do not agree, and this meeting further solidified our findings.

This part of our discussion about presidential issues concluded with a Domicile resolution which would require the President – like all other pilots – would adhere to the UOM language. The resolution passed unanimously and will be presented at the BPR meeting in Dec.

Finally, let us be very clear, on a personal note, we wish Gary a full recovery and a healthy life. It’s unfortunate we are forced to raise this issue at all. We feel strongly that he should have stepped down at the first indication that his doctors were going to place restrictions on his activities, and those restrictions would include avoiding stressful situations. Union work is stressful; period! Testifying in court, fighting management’s continual disrespect, and the myriad of issues that arise in any given week….it’s enough to put an Iron Man triathlete into cardiac distress. However, and this is again unfortunate, we do not have the luxury of thinking only of his sick bank, his particular financial situation or even of his health; we have a responsibility to over 1000 pilots in Philadelphia and in most cases, to all the pilots of US Airways. We feel strongly that responsibility includes making sure USAPA’s structure is faithfully maintained and that we are being led effectively, and we can’t say either of those are happening right now. As we said, this is all quite unfortunate, and it’s hard for us to see the Presidents insistence on staying in office as anything but a very self-serving maneuver, one that places his personal income and his sick bank balance at a higher priority than your career, and the careers of the many thousands of pilots he is supposed to be looking out for.

Following the medical issue, discussion began regarding what the PHL, as well as the CLT reps feel is a continuing effort by the Executive Branch to keep us ill-informed as to critical union events and thus prevent our input prior to known events. It’s something we know our predecessors dealt with, and it has become so significant that a resolution was recently passed which now requires the President to provide the BPR with a synopsis of weekly activities and to inform us of known upcoming events.

 Continuing with complete contempt for the BPR in his weekly update, the President again failed to provide a complete update on the Officer’s activities for the upcoming week. Specifically, a meeting he had with the National Mediation Board in Washington and a meeting involving USAPA Vice President and Secretary/Treasurer with the APA in DFW. Furthermore, we have yet to receive a briefing on the November, 21, NMB meeting. Understand, a considerable amount of time was spent in last Friday’s Domicile meeting addressing this very issue and our President was present when the concerns were addressed. Disappointingly, our President again ignored what was said and continued his autonomous behavior.  In a recent email exchange between Paul DiOrio and the President, where Paul asks him to provide a more comprehensive update on what he and the Officers would be doing for the remainder of the week, he replied “whatever needs to be done.”

This sort of flippant reply is typical. It’s apparent to us the President believes USAPA is his show, and he doesn’t answer to anyone, including the BPR. Whether it’s secret meetings, using the USAPA attorneys (paid by your dues), and at a considerable cost, to find creative ways to keep him in office, he just refuses to follow the rules. If you think for a moment this isn’t serious, ask yourself: how well did ALPA represent us in its last five years on property? It’s this type of behavior that was the genesis for the formation of USAPA, and unfortunately, it’s happening anyway.

 

Just to be clear, below is the resolution that was unanimously passed by the BPR regarding updates to the BPR. Remember, the reason for the resolution was because the BPR is rarely provided updates on Officer activities. It should not have been necessary, but we were given no choice.

 

Resolution on President Weekly Update

Moved/Seconded DiOrio/Scherff - approved unanimously

 

WHEREAS, the BPR needs current information, and

 

WHEREAS, a lack of information minimizes the effectiveness of the BPR,

 

THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, that, the USAPA President shall provide at least one weekly update to the BPR, outlining in detail the activities of the officers during the prior week, and

 

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, a final weekly update shall occur no later than Saturday of each week, and

 

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED the weekly update shall also include the officer anticipated activities for the upcoming week, and

 

THEREFORE BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, if the officers anticipated schedule changes after the BPR is updated, the Board will be updated within 24 hours.

Your PHL reps made it clear to the pilots that we cannot perform our duties if we are kept in the dark, and there is a long line of evidence to show that your President treats the BPR as “red tape,” something the administration constantly tries to get around, either through legal interpretation or by ignoring the issue. We believe we should be working as a cohesive team and we all ran on a platform of unity and teamwork, which we all concede is the essence of success. For the President or anyone in the Executive branch to ignore the governing body is inconsistent with teamwork, and is disrespectful to its members who are concerned with the welfare of their constituents. In addition, this behavior leads to distrust and breeds theories of conspiracy, neither of which are positive to a healthy organization. As a final bit of comic tragedy, please remember President Hummel ran on a platform of “transparency” which we were all promised when USAPA was formed. From our vantage point today, nothing could be further from the truth.

Following this serious discussion, a motion originated from the floor calling for the recall of President Hummel.  Of the 40-or-so pilots in attendance who witnessed Gary’s maneuvering and side-stepping, only one pilot voted against the recall resolution.

Next week we will be attending the 4th Quarter BPR meeting in Charlotte. Among other things, we will be meeting with the Negotiating Advisory Committee to discuss Joint Collective Bargaining Agreement issues.  We have also been advised we will be meeting with our APA counterparts in early January. We will provide another update as soon as possible following next week’s BPR meeting.

 

Paul DiOrio                                         John Taylor                                         Paul Music

Chairman                                            Vice chairman                                   Vice chairman


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The "court" better act fast to stop us line cutters (although I dont see it, you are in your line and I am in mine.)  And we did not "cheat," nor was this a Kobayashi maneuver. We did not change the rules in order to win, we simply enforced proper ALPA merger policy in lieu of Prater's pitiful inaction.
 
In order for YOU to win Silver will have to order us to hold a vote on the NIC, and somehow that vote will include a new contract. Good luck, your time runs out next Monday. Lance and I both have never won the Tour, but I can still ride in the next one. Heck, even the Nic is like Lance's wins. They occurred outside the approved process, thus were ruled null and void.
 
RR theorem in full play here lately.  Low pay, less vacation, less time off, missed opportunities, lost integrity.  But no Nic.  RR

Yes you did cheat after you felt like the arbitrator and pilot neutrals cheated you. So, you form a union to cheat West pilots.

We all know the story......

ALPA cheated you.

A jury in Phoenix cheated you.

Parker cheated you.

Mesa pilots cheated you.

You cheated each other before the acquisition in 2005.

It goes on and on.

I have a question.....
What happens on Monday? A rectal exam if Judge Silver rules? Is it a holiday? Some historical event?
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