2014 Pilot Discussion

[flyingskier]

You're kidding, right?
 
When have I been wrong?





How much money have you (and others on your advice) lost on US Air(ways) stock?

I remember you stating your large investment in the S & P 500 right before it tanked for five years. When was the last time you were furloughed? You know you stated that you have "experienced" what, three furloughs?

When was the last time you have admitted you were wrong? Never?

Seriously Chip, your post above IS wrong!

Skier

 

[mrbreeze]

You are a staunch supporter of usapa and its tactics.  You support subverting the SLI process and resulting arbitration.  Based on this and the fact that you admit the unethical and unprofessional behavior of recording cockpit activity I have a very hard time believing your side of this story.  Why don't you reread your words above and get back to me, Jerry.

Obviously we look at things differently.......and I would guess you were hired in about 2000 also. You believe what you want.....what I wrote is the truth. But I couldn't care less what you think.
 
I have said all I have to say.
breeze

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

You are a staunch supporter of usapa and its tactics.  You support subverting the SLI process and resulting arbitration.  Based on this and the fact that you admit the unethical and unprofessional behavior of recording cockpit activity I have a very hard time believing your side of this story.  Why don't you reread your words above and get back to me, Jerry.

What is the divorce rate among airline pilots? Around 80%, so where is the final and binding in that? People talk about the Nicalou arbitration as some sacrosanct act when it was really a political out for a BS union and nothing more. It's funny to see anyone talk about the sanctity of a union function when a union is nothing more than a political tool to achieve an end that subverts any type of meritocracy which would truly be the only fair way for someone to advance in front of another.

It's funny when pilots who have been divorced talk about final and binding as some holy ground when it was just a union process under by-laws and the very same person made a compact with god and stood up in front of their friends and family and swore a solemn oath of for better or worse to their mate but later got out. I guess 20% of pilots could stand on principal but how many of them have been truly faithful to those vows. When questioned about their divorce, their is always some rationale made about how bad the situation was that justified breaking that sacred contract. I've always laughed and thought isn't it funny they could break that but find fault in someone using the law to get from under a shi##y arbitration award done by a union process. Those that bring sanctity and condescension into this argument need to get over themselves. What a joke.

 

[EastUS1]

When have I been wrong? And, don't use one of the five failed UAL merger attempts........

 
Why not? You were completely wrong about that ever happening, much less it being a supposedly "done deal". Why should you get any pass for that? Are you now claiming that you weren't wrong? An inability to admit even one's largest failures directly addresses a person's character.

 

[algflyr]

 
[SIZE=10pt]... and the union did not obtain a favorable ruling in today’s M-B Injunction telephonic hearing.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]What bothers me the most is USAPA’s continued use of demagoguery and misleading communications. According to USAPA the union expects that “APA and the Company will file formal motions to delay discovery next week. Under the applicable rules, USAPA then has up to 17 days to respond.”   [/SIZE]
 

 
After reading the update, it seems to me that it was the Company and APA that got the unfavorable ruling. They asked for a ruling to delay discovery. The judge basically said she was not going to rule on that and the company and the APA must file a formal request for that ruling. That was pretty much the only thing that happened today. You said the USAPA communication was misleading. They said they expect the company and APA to file a formal motion to delay discovery. It seems the judge actually instructed the company and APA to file the formal request. 

 

[algflyr]

 
[SIZE=10pt]...[/SIZE] But, USAPA is seeking more time for discovery and did not agree to arbitrate MTA #5 as required by our contract. 
 
.................

[SIZE=10pt] Furthermore, there is no where I can find where the M-B statute permits a union to represent itself in any form after it is de-certified. The M-B federal statute is black and white and it's clear per labor law that once a union is decertified it immediately loses all union powers granted to it by labor law.[/SIZE]

 
On the first part, wasn't it the company and the APA that is seeking to delay discovery and not USAPA?
 
As far as the second. Do you believe that if Southwest Airlines were to merge with Alaska tomorrow, that the SWA union would automatically represent the Alaska pilots during the SLI? I mean all they would have to do is file for single carrier right? Honest question... 

 

[Pi brat]

 
When have I been wrong?
 

 

The first thing that comes to mind is when you said not to join USAPA because of the personal liability from the damages that were sure to come.

Have you forgotten all the pro-USAPA, anti -west trash talking you did in 2007?

 

[Freighterguynow]

You support subverting the SLI process and resulting arbitration.

No contract, no list.

The West always leaves that part out.

 

[GorgeousGeorge]

No contract, no list.

The West always leaves that part out.

Or that they voted 98% for an agreement that abandoned the list and then sued that it was a DFR and subsequently lost.

 

[MUTATIS MUTANDIS]

GGEORGE, Funny they never mention that FACT! Maybe we should sue for our CoC back or Scope! Bottom line the little Spartans layed down their swords for the money! Something they said the EAST pilots would do in a heartbeat! NO JCBA NO NIC!

 

[Claxon]

No contract, no list.
The West always leaves that part out.

Yes, Ames and the rest took profit sharing and the DC Plan, then laughed at you on Loa93
LOA 93 kept the JCBA away, as well as the Nic.
You got what you asked for AMES. That was YOUR decision.

 

[Claxon]

After reading the update, it seems to me that it was the Company and APA that got the unfavorable ruling. They asked for a ruling to delay discovery. The judge basically said she was not going to rule on that and the company and the APA must file a formal request for that ruling. That was pretty much the only thing that happened today. You said the USAPA communication was misleading. They said they expect the company and APA to file a formal motion to delay discovery. It seems the judge actually instructed the company and APA to file the formal request.

True. More delay, more upgrades east and AA.

 

[Ames]

Obviously we look at things differently.......and I would guess you were hired in about 2000 also. You believe what you want.....what I wrote is the truth. But I couldn't care less what you think.
 
I have said all I have to say.
breeze

Your guess is wrong, I do believe what I want and I doubt what you wrote is the truth.  I also think you do care what I think, or you would not responded and especially when you come asking for a jumpseat.  Now that's twice you have said " I have said all I have to say".  See, couldn't even believe you the first time you said that.
 
PS:  The company policy manual prohibits recording on company property, a terminating offense.  I do believe you may have stepped into something undesirable.  In addition, most west pilots now know the name and commuter route of the guy who admits recording cockpit activity for vindictive use.  Good luck.

 

[Ames]

What is the divorce rate among airline pilots? Around 80%, so where is the final and binding in that? People talk about the Nicalou arbitration as some sacrosanct act when it was really a political out for a BS union and nothing more. It's funny to see anyone talk about the sanctity of a union function when a union is nothing more than a political tool to achieve an end that subverts any type of meritocracy which would truly be the only fair way for someone to advance in front of another.

It's funny when pilots who have been divorced talk about final and binding as some holy ground when it was just a union process under by-laws and the very same person made a compact with god and stood up in front of their friends and family and swore a solemn oath of for better or worse to their mate but later got out. I guess 20% of pilots could stand on principal but how many of them have been truly faithful to those vows. When questioned about their divorce, their is always some rationale made about how bad the situation was that justified breaking that sacred contract. I've always laughed and thought isn't it funny they could break that but find fault in someone using the law to get from under a shi##y arbitration award done by a union process. Those that bring sanctity and condescension into this argument need to get over themselves. What a joke.

This year will be my 29th anniversary to the first and only woman I have ever married so I believe your post is addressing the wrong person.  What your post tells me is that you are most likely divorced and therefore take commitment lightly.  Regardless, I do believe our situation is the only time an arbitration has been treated as it has and that says volumes as to the character of those handling it this way.  You, of course, being a clear example of one with no character or integrity.  
You eastholes can cry and whine about the fairness of the Nicolau but the bottom line is you agreed to a legal process and then took a dump on it when it didn't fit your wants and desires.  Just how would society function if everyone handled every arbitration this way?
The reason I have been posting recently after wisely staying away from this sespool is that I heard of this jumpseat situation and just knew there would be a whole new spin about it on this board.  I couldn't believe though that Breeze would actually be bragging about recording cockpit activity for use as ammunition against the west pilot involved.
Just another example of how corrupt and really, really stupid eastholes can be.

 

[Ames]

I'll leave you eastholes to your little circle jerk now.  It's been entertaining in the least.