2015 Pilot Discussion.

[dariencc]

One close examination in front of a Federal Judge, Woody was acquitted of all charges, the cop was disciplined by the PHL police department and Woody got a huge award from US Airways. It was rumored to be over $1 million plus full back pay.
him.

You are correct. Woody was completely exonerated and got a huge settlement.

The "guy in Seattle" was never arrested nor charged. He was never anything more than a "person of interest" and he was not the only one. If the police had any real evidence against him, he would have been charged years ago. Anything else is just conjecture.

Duane Leon Giroir, on the other hand, has quite a colorful history of arrests, charges and convictions.

 

[dariencc]

God, this forum totally sucks. All we get now is Ray's pedantic bullsh*t.

These threads were so much livelier when we had guys like T-Bone and Cactusboy Dave on board. We all had a lot of fun going back and forth in those days.

 

[La Li Lu Le Lo]

God, this forum totally sucks. All we get now is Ray's pedantic bullsh*t.

These threads were so much livelier when we had guys like T-Bone and Cactusboy Dave on board. We all had a lot of fun going back and forth in those days.

You saying you need someone to stir the pot? 😀

 

[EastUS1]

To be totally honest your motives are very clear to all who dare pay attention Tom. Its a the same old East bash west theme that is tired and played out. I have yet to see you talking about "Elwood Menear, 46, ...

Umm...perhaps because he was completely and properly exonerated, not to mention made the recipient of considerable funds for his mistreatment? He's your case here?....Seriously? 😉

Per your: "To be totally honest your motives are very clear to all who dare pay attention"? Look in the nearest mirror.

No matter really. I'll go to my grave with enjoyably laughter-soaked memories of PHX's mighty "Army" of supposed "Spartans", of whom I never saw ANY even slightly possible reason to largely
view as other than a purely pathetic pack of perpetual adolescents. One has to at least admit that the whole nonsense of PHX's "battle-tested"...umm..."soldiers"/"knights" and even "dire wolves" had to be properly laughed at, but East-West/whatever should all do our best to team up as at least alleged professionals in any cockpit....Period.

The whole west-east "war" neither filled cemeteries nor caused even a single instance of physical damage to anyone. Perhaps it's time to drop it and get on with life....?

The vast majority of you will hopefully still be flying in this airline for many years after I'm shortly retired, so at least try to grow up and get on with life. Any human life span amounts to little more than half a flash of a firefly's tail in overall time, so at least try to "Be excellent to each other, and party on dudes" 😉

 

[Claxon]

Then I wont tell you what Woody said to me one day but let me put it like this, people in public office in Washington have been fired for saying it...

The point of the matter was not to shine a light on Woody or any other pilot for that matter but rather point out the very obvious actions of Tom which is clearly nothing more than a smear campaign of west pilots.

I don't go digging into pilots personal lives for many reasons, most of which I'm just not that interested. I have been a pilot ADVOCATE unbeknownst Tom. I don't and have never gone around looking to gather information photos or otherwise in some effort to terminate a pilots career. Now one simple check by this man PRIOR to calling people telling them lies of this sort would have revealed that I have helped pilots in the past that I am not very fond of. Why, because I am pilot advocate first before my personal feelings.

I am done with this east/west horseshit and I will not referee those who feel the need to continue to partake in it. I'm sorry if that offends some but that really is not my problem to solve either.

Woody came, and took out ALPA. One of those very helpful in the creation of the Nicolau busting USAPA.
When you see Cactusboy53, give him regards and tell him to post. We know he lurks. After that bone jarring ride down in the SLI elevator, he has some wounds to lick after the disastrous Nicolau prognostications.
Looks like he is far, far down the list, and is no spring chicken.

 

[Claxon]

Commentary

Terror in Our Airports--Where Has Common Sense Gone?

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by John W. Whitehead
January 21, 2002

The lines at airports are getting longer, the random searches more frequent and invasive and the security measures stricter. Yet, are we any safer?

On Friday, January 18, 2002, airports across the country implemented the latest in security measures required by the Airport Security Federalization Act of 2001. The law, signed by President Bush this past November, is intended to greatly improve security at airports by requiring airlines to screen bags and travelers for explosives, either through the use of high-tech bomb x-ray devices, bag matching, random searches, manual searches or bomb-sniffing dogs.

One important part of the government's efforts to ensure safety in the air is the creation of a screener workforce to carry out the various searches of passengers and baggage. However, the qualifications of some of the personnel appointed to carry out the random searches leave some passengers even more hesitant to fly.

According to the Transportation Security Administration, a trained airport screener must possess: a discerning and discriminating ability; the ability to perform duties while being subject to distractions; the ability to follow sets of complex directions; a multi-tasking ability and alertness to objectives; the ability to perform well under demanding situations; the ability to comprehend and reason effectively; the ability to identify principles governing relationships between objects; and the ability to cope with conflicts.

Despite these requirements, reports continue to surface that raise serious questions about whether airport screeners possess "a discerning and discriminating ability" and "the ability to comprehend and reason effectively." Indeed, numerous invasive incidents concerning random searches have turned into intrusive full-body searches and have left women travelers--from grandmothers to flight attendants--feeling harassed and abused. It's not just the female travelers who feel accosted, however. One travel agency president related that at a Miami airport he had to drop his trousers in public "to the top of the butt" so a guard could feel for contraband.

And as the following three incidents show, while transportation officials might hope that caution and common sense would work hand in hand during these searches, it's easier said than done. Take, for instance, a recent incident that took place at an airport security checkpoint in Philadelphia between baggage screeners and a US Air pilot preparing to report for duty. According to media reports, Elwood Menear, a veteran of the skies with almost 30 years of flying experience under his belt, found himself being searched for prohibited "weapons," such as a nail file. After pointing out to the screeners that if it were his intent to harm anyone, he could do more damage crashing the plane than smuggling a nail file, he was promptly arrested, grounded from flight service and charged with making terrorist threats.

In another incident at a Philadelphia airport, 22-year-old Neil Godfrey, reading material in hand, was making his way through the metal detector when he noticed a security guard frowning at the novel in his hand. The cover of the novel, Hayduke Lives! by acclaimed writer Edward Abbey, bore an illustration of a man holding several sticks of dynamite in his hand. Before long, a National Guardsman had arrived to question Godfrey about his choice of reading material. Philadelphia police officers, state troopers and airport security officials arrived soon after. After extensive questioning and a pat down, Godfrey was informed that he would not be permitted to fly and was ushered out of the airport. Godfrey's crime? He was reading good literature.

 

[Claxon]

Nice try A330Pylt.
Just because Menear had an instrumental part in destroying the ALPA sponsored Nic. is no reason to harbor such ill will.

 

[Claxon]

You saying you need someone to stir the pot? 😀

Yes please.

 

[Claxon]

Ah...an oldie but a goodie w/o NAMES:

“…The Arbitration Board conducts an evidentiary hearing, with witnesses, evidence and a stenographic transcript. The Board’s Opinion and Award are to be issued simultaneously, within 150 days following the PID, unless both pilot groups and ALPA’s President agree to an extension. The Merger Policy provides, “The Award of the Arbitration Board shall be final and binding on all parties to the arbitration and shall be defended by ALPA.” No ALPA seniority integration arbitration result has ever been set aside by the courts although some dissatisfied pilots have challenged the award before administrative agencies and the courts.”

US Airwaves June/July 2000

Cactusboy53............
Your thoughts Cactusboy53?

 

[A330PYLT]

Nice try A330Pylt.
Just because Menear had an instrumental part in destroying the ALPA sponsored Nic. is no reason to harbor such ill will.

You have me confused with someone else may man as I harbor zero ill will nor am I out here daily digging up 10yr old ALPA blasts or putting fellow pilots PERSONAL business in the streets. I would say its you that harbor all this ill will. See I am at top scale G4 pay and in the 330 by CHOICE and can hold G2 capt right now! I will hold G4 capt the last 6yrs of my career where yours ends in 13mos. Im not mad, upset or anything close to that contrary to what you post and or believe. I have never been anything but kind to you since our very first encounter and on each flight we worked and that was even after you started your west bashing post about me. I think its safe to say that its you that seem to hold all this ill will. Piece of advice, let it go man, its over. I know you think there was this great victory over the Nic and I wont even begin to burst your bubble on that. I will just say to you let it go...

 

[Claxon]

Attention: AWAPPA SHOPPERS! (Part II)

A couple of U-Turns ago, we sent one out called “Don’t Worry, Be Happy!” We still believe it. And we still believe that as long as ALPA is off the property, they can’t pull a “fair and equitable” on us and force us to share UAL’s Downsizing pain. Yes, you ARE protected by the TA. And nothing AWAPPA says is going to change that.

But our former MEC leadership is still in total denial. They act like ALPA is still the CBA. Former LAS FO Rep Ray Burkett is living in a dream world. This is the “Ray Solution:”

From: <rburkett@surewest.net>
To: <jongarcia@cox.net>; "Scott Lillard" <Spctrigerman@aol.com>;
<RKOsmon@aol.com>; "CJ Szmal" <cactuszmal@cox.net>; <mitchvasin@gmail.com>; <john.mcilvenna@awappa.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 11, 2008 7:37 PM
Subject: Re: U-Turn: ATTN: AWAPPA Shoppers!

Well this was what I has hoping to avoid!! The key here people is to set
up with UAL and get a prenup. Parker and team are not about to let u sap
ass block their deal with UAL. We need to focus on reaching out to as many
people in the UAL MEC as we ALL CAN. FENCE the prick in the east for 30yrs

Ray Burkett
C82 First officer Rep
Vice Chairman

Earth to Ray! Set up a “prenup” with UAL? Ray, ALPA’s not our CBA any more. And YOU aren’t the C82 FO Rep anymore. C82 doesn’t exist anymore. In fact, the entire LAS base isn’t going to last through the fall!

Sorry, Ray, but the UAL MEC isn’t going to give you or AWAPPA the time of day. They are represented by ALPA and ALPA is hanging it out if they negotiate with any group that isn’t the CBA. If they do and get caught at it, they could end up with a DFR that will make their $50+ million Duke-Spellacy settlement in the 1990s look like a parking ticket fine. The UAL MEC Merger Attorney is AWAPPA’s Jeff Freund. Can you say conflict of interest? How can he represent us and the UAL pilots at the same time? How can he give us any legal advice on defending the NIC while he’s representing UAL’s MEC? If a merger announcement is made, who do you think he will represent?

Enough of Ray’s fantasy union. At the bottom of this U-Turn is a summary of the first round of planned reductions over at UAL. The source is their internal employee “newsline.” We believe that the information is authentic. Note that the “first set of changes… will enable us to remove 30 of our B737 aircraft, the least efficient of our fleet.” At 6.5 crews (13 pilots) per aircraft, that’s a hit of 390 pilots on the streets. Proportionally, that would mean a furlough of about 148 LCC pilots if we were “fairly and equitably” sharing the pain.

The UAL internal forecast is just a blip on the radar screen when compared to the “What if” comments by Chicago Tribune reporter Julie Johnsson, written yesterday. According to her article (paraphrased, because of copy write laws – the link is: <http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story> http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/chi-sun-united-tilton-mergermay11,0,1669926.story), the New “U” could park the entire 737-300 fleet (111 aircraft) of both carriers, producing over a billion dollars synergies.

At 13 pilots per plane, that’s an 11% reduction or 1443-pilot furlough from the total of approximately 13,000 active pilots. Proportionally, under ALPA’s “fair and equitable pain sharing,” the West hit could be about 192 furloughs.

So, does anyone really want a piece of that “fair and equitable” ALPA-pie or a Ray Burkett “prenup?” As much as you might hate USAPA, Ray, they do control both contracts. More importantly, they control the TA and its floor of 120 West planes and 202 East planes.

The U-Turn

 

[Claxon]

Nice try Ray.
Did you reach out to the LAA pilots along with Mitch Vaselino?
No wonder Marty was able to shake the west pilots down on a continual basis.




From: u-turn [mailto:awapilots@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: U-Turn: Where Politics Needs to Stop


U-Turn Nation:


Under the heading of "You can't make up this stuff," we read the below on a popular blog entitled flightinfo.com. It is reposted in its entirety, without edit. As we have often posted, U-Turn will not get into the Addington DFR debate. That will be solved by the courts. But attempting to turn Captain Sullenberger's appointment to US Airways' management safety team into a political issue? All we can say is consider the source.


U-Turn will accept letters expressing differing opinions, but we also reserve the right not to post them. U-Turn believes that safety is not and should never be turned into a political issue.






Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000

Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO

 

[Claxon]

"Sully, welcome to Phoenix........ " Mitch


Perhaps Sully wryly observes the current, dynamic future of the PHX operation from a rather long distance.
Where will you be moving Mitch?
Doug moved long, long ago......

 

[dariencc]

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO

There can be no doubt that this brilliantly crafted letter intimidated Mr. Parker. Members of the Phoenix business community know better than to tangle with graduates of the Arizona Summit School of Law.

 

[A330PYLT]

Nice try Ray.
Did you reach out to the LAA pilots along with Mitch Vaselino?
No wonder Marty was able to shake the west pilots down on a continual basis.




From: u-turn [mailto:awapilots@mindspring.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 4:06 PM
Subject: U-Turn: Where Politics Needs to Stop


U-Turn Nation:


Under the heading of "You can't make up this stuff," we read the below on a popular blog entitled flightinfo.com. It is reposted in its entirety, without edit. As we have often posted, U-Turn will not get into the Addington DFR debate. That will be solved by the courts. But attempting to turn Captain Sullenberger's appointment to US Airways' management safety team into a political issue? All we can say is consider the source.


U-Turn will accept letters expressing differing opinions, but we also reserve the right not to post them. U-Turn believes that safety is not and should never be turned into a political issue.






Posts: 61
Civ/Mil: Civilian
A/C Flown: Jetz and props
Ratings: ATP, MEI, FE B-727, B-737 type
Curr Position: Flying for the aquiring airline
Total Time: 11,000

Sully, welcome to Phoenix
Open letter to Doug Parker.

September 28, 2009
Mr. Douglas Parker
CEO & Chairman of the Board
US Airways, Inc.
111 W. Rio Salado Parkway
Tempe, Arizona 85281

VIA EMAIL

Dear Doug:

I'm writing to express my complete and utter disappointment with
today's announcement that Captain Sullenberger will be appointed to a
management position within the company. In fact, as a result of Capt.
Sullenberger's decision to use his new found fame as a weapon against
1800 former America West pilots in a recent federal court case over
pilot seniority, I find the company's announcement particularly
insulting. Not only does this decision now forever discredit the
company's purported "neutrality" in the pilot seniority issue, but it
also calls in to question the credibility of the entire safety
management team. As I hope you'll agree, it is in everybody's best
interests to keep flight safety an issue that is far removed from
politics.

I can respect that Capt. Sullenberger has his own personal opinions
regarding the seniority situation, however, I believe that his
decision to testify in court raises reasonable question as to his
ability to adequately perform his new duties without bias. Capt.
Sullenberger did not provide any relevant testimony in the case, and
was only called to testify by USAPA in the hopes that his celebrity
status would unfairly influence a jury. Instead of limiting the use
his celebrity status in support of productive goals such as promoting
aviation safety and the image of US Airways, he blatantly abused that
status by unnecessarily inserting himself on the losing side of an
issue that he played no prior role in. I cannot be reasonably assured
that he would not similarly misuse his position in management.

While I'm certain that this letter will fall on deaf ears, I can
assure you that this letter by no means an end to this issue, and that
you will be in need of much more than a well polished statement at a
crew news session to address it.

Sincerely,
/s/
Mitch Vasin
PHX 320 FO

To answer your question Tom, NO I did not reach out to anyone because as you see that went out in 2008 which was 9yrs ago! I see now that you can not move fwd and that is really sad. I feel sorry for you to have live like that and only have 13 mos left. I think you would do well with some therapy to help you get over this battle that ended long ago.

Tom all that anger is going to give you health problems and at almost 64 that's not good man! Let it go and think positive, I mean you wont make G4 capt like I will be thats not the end all be all in this career. Sure the NIC was not put in verbatim but it was shall we say Nic lite. I was off some 800 numbers from the AWA proposal so it was good enough and TODAY I can hold G2 capt if I want. No need right now as so many of you are going to retire this yr and next plus Im a G4 line holder at top scale pay so Im GOOD.

Well I am going to have a couple of drinks with my girl and cool out on a hot CA sat evening. I wish you well my man.

A330PYLT 🙂)))